The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 21

[dDaddybass]

Originally Posted by bassman314

The whole "Hokie fan Sunday" is where I would be drawing the line. Hokie fans aren't welcome any other time of the year?

It's not like that. It's just a theme type of thing.

[nick98338]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

Hey guys, I need a little input. Have any of you ever been asked to play secular music for a service that you were not comfortable with? If so, how did you handle it?

One week, a little over a year ago, we did an instrumental version of "Peace Of Mind" by Boston, as pre-service music. The WL took great care to explain that we were trying to be more "culturally relevant" to our congregation by playing "non-church" music that our folks might be familiar with. We did a 3-minute version. Did it pretty well, IMHO. Maybe a half-dozen folks showed any kind of reaction to the song. Positive reaction.. but sparse. I think that the reaction from the congregation was not what Church leadership had expected. We've not played any secular songs since then.

[cashpoor51]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

Hey guys, I need a little input. Have any of you ever been asked to play secular music for a service that you were not comfortable with? If so, how did you handle it?

I firmly believe there is no song that you cannot play instrumentally
at Church

Gods wants us to worship Him and what wrapper you place around the music is not important

Take this for example say you play this tune and a non believer
is there that morning that loves that song and his heart is changed because you played it and gets saved
wouldn't it be worth it?

God makes all things work together for Good

[rotis]

"Hokie Sunday" is where I draw the line as well. Cheer on an ACC team without laughing? That would just not be honest in my opinion. wink wink

If you are on the worship team of a church that names a service after a secular institution I have a hard time seeing what the big deal is about playing an instrumental version of their theme song. Would you feel better playing their fight song (cheering on something other then Jesus)?

Read the lyrics of enter the sandman. They don't mean anything. They are nonsensical. But for your sake I hope they drop the idea.

[dDaddybass]

Originally Posted by cashpoor51

I firmly believe there is no song that you cannot play instrumentally
at Church

Gods wants us to worship Him and what wrapper you place around the music is not important

Take this for example say you play this tune and a non believer
is there that morning that loves that song and his heart is changed because you played it and gets saved
wouldn't it be worth it?

God makes all things work together for Good

I think you have to be careful with the music you play at church. I don’t feel you bring honor to the Lord with a song that is inseparably linked to an expression which is not Holy, be it instrumental or with lyrics.

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

I think you have to be careful with the music you play at church. I don’t feel you bring honor to the Lord with a song that is inseparably linked to an expression which is not Holy, be it instrumental or with lyrics.

I feel ya. I also would have put a big thumbs down to enter sandman in our worship service but so would others of us in the band. There were a few suggestions of some other "fun" songs....like acdc back in black also a big thumbs down. Fun.....sure, a shockingly inappropriate song for our congregation.....yes. We wanted people to have fun not slap people in the face and drive them away from what is going on. The solution may be in what is appropriate for your congregation.

[cashpoor51]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

I think you have to be careful with the music you play at church. I don’t feel you bring honor to the Lord with a song that is inseparably linked to an expression which is not Holy, be it instrumental or with lyrics.

So let me say it like this
If God saved 100 people that were strictly metal heads
and they started a Church Do you think that God would not Honor them for putting praise lyric's to any Metal song they Choose to?

If your Worshiping God from the heart it doesn't matter what wrapper you put around it

Do you realize how far we have come in what types of Music is accepted in Church now
Bass and drums were veiwed as the Work of the Devil in many Churches less than 40 years ago

[TodB]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

I think you have to be careful with the music you play at church. I don’t feel you bring honor to the Lord with a song that is inseparably linked to an expression which is not Holy, be it instrumental or with lyrics.

Uh, you know that "Amazing Grace" began as a secular drinking song with new lyrics, right?

We have done secular music from time to time. I wouldn't have a problem under the circumstances except for the Va Tech thing. I would have a bigger theological beef with the rigid idea that there are some things that just can't be redeemed.

If you really have a problem with it I'd go to the worship leader or the pastor, but I would do it from a position of humility and weakness, not pride and superiority. It's one thing to say "it's like I'm an alcoholic, because of my background I just can't go there". It's something else entirely to say "I'm too virtuous and holy to participate in something like that, but you are obviously not as spiritual as I am".

[HereIGoAgain]

Originally Posted by cashpoor51

So let me say it like this
If God saved 100 people that were strictly metal heads
and they started a Church Do you think that God would not Honor them for putting praise lyric's to any Metal song they Choose to?

If your Worshiping God from the heart it doesn't matter what wrapper you put around it

Do you realize how far we have come in what types of Music is accepted in Church now
Bass and drums were veiwed as the Work of the Devil in many Churches less than 40 years ago

+a million

When I was new believer, I felt that rap, metal, punk, and others were inappropriate vehicles for the Word. A friend explained to me one day "What if you have a kid who only listens to rap or only listens to heavy metal?" He then went on to explain that using those genres as a way of reaching people who only listen to those genres can make it appropriate to convey the Word. Since that day, I've understood his point.

God can indeed use those genres and many more for His glory.

[rotis]

Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain

+a million

When I was new believer, I felt that rap, metal, punk, and others were inappropriate vehicles for the Word.

SNIP

God can indeed use those genres and many more for His glory.

That's not what is happening here. They aren't putting worship lyrics over secular music. They are playing secular music.

This is a bass guitar forum. Nobody is questioning being musically relevant. The guy doesnt want to play metallica. That's different.

[bassman314]

I had my MRI today. I don't have to wait another 2 weeks to get the results. The specialist had a cancellation, so I am seeing him on Thursday.

MRI itself went well. I fell asleep during part of it, which was nice. I needed the nap.

[HereIGoAgain]

Originally Posted by rotis

That's not what is happening here. They aren't putting worship lyrics over secular music. They are playing secular music.

This is a bass guitar forum. Nobody is questioning being musically relevant. The guy doesnt want to play metallica. That's different.

I'm sorry if my agreeing with a previous poster got to you that much. It is certainly not my intent to cause anyone undo angst in this thread.

In regards to secular music, the famous "Hallelujah" song was written by Leonard Cohen (devoutly Jewish), and was covered by John Cale (Steppenwolf) and Lou Reed (Velvet Underground). Petra's "God Gave Rock and Roll to You" is actually a cover. KISS did the original. Secular music, I guess, can be used depending on what the secular music is.

If you disapprove of this post badly enough to remind me this is a bass guitar forum, then I apologize again. May things be well with you.

[MissingHighs]

Golly, and here was me feeling guilty about the ripples that developed when dropping the odd "controversial" pebble in our pond; but seeing the thread over the last few pages, maybe it's time to stop feeling awkward

May God bless our differing opinions - it's what makes us interesting to and interested in one another.

M. <><

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

Golly, and here was me feeling guilty about the ripples that developed when dropping the odd "controversial" pebble in our pond; but seeing the thread over the last few pages, maybe it's time to stop feeling awkward

May God bless our differing opinions - it's what makes us interesting to and interested in one another.

M. <><

I doubt we'd be on the edge of Part 22 if we always agreed on everything!

I love it when I can have a heated discussion with a friend and remain friends. It's much better than never speaking for fear of offending (as long as it's speaking in the right spirit). We had moments of disagreement on our retreat but I didn't come away with a feeling of disunity, just of people with different opinions but who were heading in the same direction.

Click tracks... discuss.

[cashpoor51]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

Golly, and here was me feeling guilty about the ripples that developed when dropping the odd "controversial" pebble in our pond; but seeing the thread over the last few pages, maybe it's time to stop feeling awkward

May God bless our differing opinions - it's what makes us interesting to and interested in one another.

M. <><

+1

on another note I personally wouldn't want to play the metalica
song either but would do so if asked and everyone in the team was in one accord of the reason to bring such a bold move into play

[MyMusic]

Go with whats in your heart. If the song doesn't sit right with you, explain it to the wl and leave it at that.

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by cashpoor51

on another note I personally wouldn't want to play the metalica
song either...

On the subject of personal preference, I have sworn that I will never participate in another lame "white suburban guys who can't play reggae" debacle. Of course, if it's a worship song and everyone else is enthusiastic, I'll probably fold as usual...

[dDaddybass]

Just got an email from the WL. Apparently I wasn't the only that had concerns. The song has been nixed. The Hokie theme is an outreach to the community and students. I suggested we do something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAR4hXs9PRw
We did this a few months go during a family church service and it was well received. I have no dought that any genre of music can be used to praise God, but bring secular music into the mix is a fine line, IMO. I think you have to consider that message and intent of the song.

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

On the subject of personal preference, I have sworn that I will never participate in another lame "white suburban guys who can't play reggae" debacle. Of course, if it's a worship song and everyone else is enthusiastic, I'll probably fold as usual...

I had to smile at this one, being a white suburban guy who can't play reggae! I do my best when called on, helped by the fact that we have team members of Caribbean origin. They help cover for my musical 'whiteness'.

[SoVeryTired]

And.... /thread

Bring on 22!