The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 22

[dDaddybass]

No problem. I really like the function where you can see the tunings for each string all at once.

[5StringFool]

Wow I go to take my last final and come back and POW three pages worth... you guys have been busy!

The issues in my band are minor, they just get on my nerves at times... but it looks like I'll be facing them a little more directly in the near future.

I have been leading worship for our Celebrate recovery group for some months now, and this past Sunday the small band that I play with there was asked to lead worship for the annual business meeting. So it was a bass player, electric guitar, cajon, one female backing vocal, and myself leading on acoustic guitar. Everything seemed to go well, we were having church ourselves while we were rehearsing before the meeting. We played Everything Glorious, How He Loves, and Hold Us Together.

Today I received a phone call from the pastor... there has been a lot of positive feedback from the congregation concerning the worship in song Sunday night and I have been asked to go into regular rotation to lead the PT on Sunday mornings. I'll be "up to bat" once a month (every first Sunday). I'm still having a bit of a time wrapping my head around this, in my mind I'm just doing what I do. I have led a song or two on occasion, but never been "the guy", this is just another thing that's beyond any expectation I had.

Pray for me if you would guys, this is a little overwhelming, but I know it's God's leading and growing me.

Thanks.

[dDaddybass]

I've been reading alot of posts about some of the problems that we have in regards to being a member of a P&W team. I'm a person who can convey my thoughts on sensitive subjects alot better if I can write them down and sort them out. I was thinking it may be neat to write a P&W Bassist Manifesto. What do you guys think?

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by 5StringFool

Wow I go to take my last final and come back and POW three pages worth... you guys have been busy!

The issues in my band are minor, they just get on my nerves at times... but it looks like I'll be facing them a little more directly in the near future.

I have been leading worship for our Celebrate recovery group for some months now, and this past Sunday the small band that I play with there was asked to lead worship for the annual business meeting. So it was a bass player, electric guitar, cajon, one female backing vocal, and myself leading on acoustic guitar. Everything seemed to go well, we were having church ourselves while we were rehearsing before the meeting. We played Everything Glorious, How He Loves, and Hold Us Together.

Today I received a phone call from the pastor... there has been a lot of positive feedback from the congregation concerning the worship in song Sunday night and I have been asked to go into regular rotation to lead the PT on Sunday mornings. I'll be "up to bat" once a month (every first Sunday). I'm still having a bit of a time wrapping my head around this, in my mind I'm just doing what I do. I have led a song or two on occasion, but never been "the guy", this is just another thing that's beyond any expectation I had.

Pray for me if you would guys, this is a little overwhelming, but I know it's God's leading and growing me.

Thanks.

Great to hear how God's using you - and He'll equip you for it. Just take it as seriously as your bass playing and you'll be fine. I had nearly 14 years up until this year as a WL and I'll say it's no more challenging than any other role in the team, just different challenges.

[PipeRain]

Hi all, just thot I'd pop in here and say "Howdy".

I have been playing bass off and on for about 20 years or so. In reality, I've been playing for 4-6 months over and over about a dozen times, other than the three or four year spot where I played in a couple bands. I don't suppose I technically belong here as I don't play bass for the church, but I do drive the PA, so there it is. I've offered to fill in when the other bassists are unavailable, but so far haven't been taken up. I think the appearance of my bass, the fact that P&W music in general makes my skin crawl, and my musical tastes are well known to be widely divergent from P&W might have something to do with it. I get the impression that all the other musicians are are afraid that I'm gonna try to turn everything into some sort of thrash tune. Either that or the fact that I'm just not good enough!

I do enjoy driving the PA, it gives me a chance to serve and at the end of the day that's what it's all about. I suppose that would make me member number 1 of the "Bassists who don't play bass but run the PA at church instead club"....

So there it is!

[theLimeyBrit]

Howdy PipeRain

Originally Posted by PipeRain

I think the appearance of my bass ...

What's the problem, is your ax black and spiky?

I'm sure as a church PA driver you can add to the conversation here. For myself, I wish my church had a PA driver; our worship leader currently runs sound from the stage.

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

Hmm. I'm glad you made me take a second look. And the comparison videos were more than worthwhile. I was put off when I saw the adverts bearing a typical "needle" mode display. Here it is almost the best of both worlds. Quite a bit cheaper, and available relatively quickly.

Anyone else have comments on this TC Electronic Polytuner?

Actually, it does both poly mode and "needle mode" displays. It's a good "medium definition" tuner, not as accurate as hairline accurate as the Peterson or Turbo Tuner, but better than the Planet Waves.

Build quality seems good, and the poly feature is nice for quick confidence checks. Instead of ding, ding, ding across every string, just strum 'em all, and see if you're in the green all the way across.

Another one to consider is the latest version of the Snark clip-on, the SN-8. It's higher accuracy than any other clip-on I've seen, and better than some pedal tuners. It locks quite quickly on 4-string basses (takes a little longer with my B string), and is stoopid cheap, less than $20 mail-order.

I use my Turbo tuner for big gigs with my pedalboard, and the Snark for coffee-house gigs and practice.

[PipeRain]

Originally Posted by theLimeyBrit

Howdy PipeRain



What's the problem, is your ax black and spiky?

I'm sure as a church PA driver you can add to the conversation here. For myself, I wish my church had a PA driver; our worship leader currently runs sound from the stage.

Black, pointy headstock and covered with stickers from my more <ahem> "Outspoken" days. Some folks seemed to find the sticker that said "Don't be a jerk, get saved" (Among others) too forward I guess. Oh, and the old-school SD actives don't get much love either. I can only get so much soggy and flabby tone out of them, and it's still too "Punchy".

<serious note>
I read back thru this thread a bit and saw some complaints about how the knuckleheads in the sound booth treat the pinheads up front. Having been on both sides of that equation many times and been frustrated and hamstrung by problems caused by the attitudes of the people at the other end of the room, I am sorely tempted to pretend I'm not a n00b around here and wade in, "Laying about me hip and thigh with the jawbone of an ass."

Trust me, it would NOT be pretty.
</serious note>

[MissingHighs]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

I use my Turbo tuner for big gigs with my pedalboard, and the Snark for coffee-house gigs and practice.

I was looking at one thing and that was the calibration accuracy. The Turbo Tuner seems to allow for finer calibration, and there are times I can see that being useful. I think it's made my mind up (plus I've seen it in action and it was good).

So what is on your pedal board?

M. <><

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

...The Turbo Tuner seems to allow for finer calibration, and there are times I can see that being useful. I think it's made my mind up (plus I've seen it in action and it was good).

So what is on your pedal board?

My experience with both the Peterson (in software form on my iPhone) and the Turbo, is that when you use a high-resolution tuner to get centered on a given pitch, it takes longer for the string to drift to the point that it's audibly out of tune. This makes it seem as if your bass stays in tune longer...

Most TB'ers would find my little pedalboard pretty boring:
- Ernie Ball volume pedal for swells and bowed bass effects
- Empress ParaEQ for tone control and solo boost
- Turbo Tuner

Not even a chorus pedal in sight...

I've been so happy with my GK head and Audiokinesis cab lately, that I think I might end up ditching the ParaEQ, and replacing it with an FDeck HPF-3.

[Versatek6]

Originally Posted by khutch

I actually quite unexpectedly had the "space" discussion with one of our pianists a couple of weeks ago.

Something similar happened last week between our MD on piano, our drummer and me.

We were rehearsing "10,000 Reasons." In the last verse, drums and bass drop out until the last phrase of the verse to build into the chorus. As the verse was proceeding, she stopped everyone and looked over at us...

MD: "Why aren't you playing?"
Us: "We never play here."
MD: "Really?"
Us: "Really."
MD:

[jmclearnon]

PipeRain, i would say if your on TB and talking on threads your definitely welcome

On the tuners and pedalboards: i was thinking about stuff and tbh in a church setting i would only want a tuner + instrument switcher. I was thinking of the Radial Bigshot I/O for the switcher any thoughts??

I currently have a boss tuner (about 7 years old and does the job fine) is there any bonus to having these "strobe" tuners, because i have never used them?


^^^ on that note lol i've have had times playing with someone where they said my cello playing was awesome during a chorus when i actually wasn't playing lol, that kindof confused me lol ......

[praisebass]

If you are in or near Bakersfield PM me. A buddy of mine who is a professional percussionist is moving out that way right now. Super guy, faithful Christian and great on drum kit or on various percussion instruments. He's taken a management job with an event center in the area.

[csanders]

Originally Posted by PipeRain

I suppose that would make me member number 1 of the "Bassists who don't play bass but run the PA at church instead club"....

Can I be member #2 if this gets rolling?

[english4bw]

Originally Posted by jmclearnon

On the tuners and pedalboards: i was thinking about stuff and tbh in a church setting i would only want a tuner + instrument switcher. I was thinking of the Radial Bigshot I/O for the switcher any thoughts?

That's ok. My entire "pedal board" consists of a Polytune tuner and my REDDI tube direct box. Never use effects of any kind, it just ticks off/confuses the sound guy.

As for the AB/Y switcher, go with the Radial Bigshot only if you don't need to have a light on the pedal telling you which channel you're currently using. Pay a little more for the TwinCity AB/Y (active) and you have a light that tells you when channel A or B is selected.

[mtb777]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

The PA desk is an instrument but it tends to attract technicians rather than musicians. The best mixers are the ones who, even if they don't play an instrument, have a deep love and understanding of music. Too often I've come across people who know what all the controls do but don't really know what should come out of the speakers. Like the one guy who said "I don't really hear the individual instruments, I can't tell the difference between them" - fortunately we managed to move him away from the desk.

If there isn't a person who exhibits both the logical, technical side and the creative, artisitic side, there's a good argument for well-balanced pairs or teams running PA.

The main sound guy at my church is really incredible all around. He plays a dozen + instruments, sings and if I didnt look at the board I can tell 30 seconds into the first song he's not there. Dynamics, balance, separation, are just a few of what he dials to perfection. He walks the room. He added some smaller powered JBLs in the corners a month ago that almost hive it a surround sound effect. We get treated sometimes when I see a mic at the board and he's playing flute or Irish pipes or little piccolo pipes. He's great on everything, acoustic, electric. He is a slap monster too. We have a big digital Yamaha board and he has everyone so dialled in. Always perfect. Great vocal effects too. Changes even the vocal sounds and effects from song to song. What a blessing.

[mtb777]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

Nothing better than being able to laugh at your problems. Other than than taking a flamethrower to them. But it's not often that would be acceptable or appropriate.

That's what the OTHER eternity is for! Retribution of sins and bad sound men. Lol

[invalidprotocol]

Originally Posted by mtb777

Retrofitting of sins and bad sound men.

This sounds like an epic album title.

[cableguy]

Originally Posted by invalidprotocol

This sounds like an epic album title.

Surely prog rock.....

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by invalidprotocol

This sounds like an epic album title.

Or an autobiography.