The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 22 - Page 35

**FellowBass** · #**681** 12-19-2012, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by kbaxter26

WAY OFF SUBJECT....Sorry. I am sure this has been asked a million times, but I can't seem to locate it.
What song (P&W Only) do you find to be the most challenging?

Thanks in advance.

"Let God Arise" by Chris Tomlin is tricky compared to most worship songs, I've found.

speeves · #**682** 12-19-2012, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kbaxter26

WAY OFF SUBJECT....Sorry. I am sure this has been asked a million times, but I can't seem to locate it.
What song (P&W Only) do you find to be the most challenging?

Thanks in advance.

Anything with Tony Lucido on bass. He's a monster! (I've put together a bit of a spotify playlist so that I can learn his style better. The link is here http://open.spotify.com/user/1244973...sByqixyoTXyuFs ). Furious by Jeremy Camp, and Hark! The Herald Angels Sing by Jeremy Camp were my introduction to his work. He's a studio guy, so my playlist only has a sampling of his work. Cool stuff!

kbaxter26 · #**683** 12-19-2012, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by FellowBass

"Let God Arise" by Chris Tomlin is tricky compared to most worship songs, I've found.

Found the tab for this one. Gonna try it tonite. Sweet.
Thanks>>>>>>>>

Jhengsman · #**684** 12-19-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kbaxter26

So, why can't I find a tab for This Is The Day?

I would guess most take the same prejudice that I do. What you want to do is cop the feel and the drive that we heard on the recording, not clone the line on Fred Hammond's recording. We do it five half steps higher. If he is using any open strings in his slaps (and I am not slapping anyway) tabs would still leave me out in the cold. You can find chorded versions on sites for gospel keyboard players. I am on my phone and don't have the tech savvy to link to it. Just googl and find the Earnest and someone's, I forgot the name website and ministry.

nick98338 · #**685** 12-19-2012, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kbaxter26

WAY OFF SUBJECT....Sorry. I am sure this has been asked a million times, but I can't seem to locate it.
What song (P&W Only) do you find to be the most challenging?

Thanks in advance.

Nobody has said it yet??? "Salvation Is Here"!!!

SoVeryTired · #**686** 12-19-2012, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bassman314

The one the pastors ask us to do 20 seconds before service starts that none of us have ever heard before.

That one's dead easy. It goes like this: "no"!

SoVeryTired · #**687** 12-19-2012, 10:51 AM

We don't do much that is particularly challenging on bass, at least the way I play them. Probably the instrumental break in The Time Has Come.

kbaxter26 · #**688** 12-19-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

We don't do much that is particularly challenging on bass, at least the way I play them. Probably the instrumental break in The Time Has Come.

That is why I am asking. I have yet to find anything that is OVERLY challenging. DOn't get me wrong, I am not saying I can play them all. Just they all seem very simple. I have gotten through the ones I am interested in though. "Salvation is Here" is certianly one I AM GOING to master. I love the song and message.

MissingHighs · #**689** 12-19-2012, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nick98338

Nobody has said it yet??? "Salvation Is Here"!!!

Because He only arrives on Dec 25th, not? Then sticks around for about 33 years and 3 months and performs a death defying feat... that's a pretty hard act to follow... (sip... *****smack***** ... coffee kicks in)...

.... oh, you're talking about bass lines!!

Having asked loads of folk about a trick to learning intervals, no-one has come up with something that works for me. I've just discovered a neat trick; play along to ALL my songs on the MP3 player, each and every one! No excuses (no hitting "forward" button). And to do it without music sheets. Just listen to the mistakes, and then on the next verse try find out what was wrong and do it right. As Victor W says "embrace mistakes".

Odd, but in less than an hour I'm more accurate on hymns than rock stuff.

I'm not rota'd for the next four weeks... no prizes fr guessing what my practise regime is gonna be!

**bassman314** · #**690** 12-19-2012, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

That one's dead easy. It goes like this: "no"!

That usually is the answer.

There was one time that our senior pastor cornered our previous piano player and wouldn't let him go until he agreed toplay this one hymn for a service.

He is a GREAT musician, and has done it professionally for cruise ships, however he doesn't sight-read very well. Never has needed to.

Needless to say, that was awkward.

MrCincinnati · #**691** 12-19-2012, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jhengsman

It is a mega-thread, there is little that is off topic here.

For our team it would be the Fred Hammond arrangement of This Is The Day when I have to bring everything my limited skill set has to the table. If your definition of P&W is more limited then a crossover group Israel & New Breed's You Are Good. But in that case our guitarist can cover me.

some of the fills on that fred hammond arr. are beasty
"you are good" is played every other Sunday at my church - what part do you have the guitarist cover?

**FellowBass** · #**692** 12-19-2012, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kbaxter26

Found the tab for this one. Gonna try it tonite. Sweet.
Thanks>>>>>>>>

It's not rocket surgery or anything, but it is pretty quick moving up and down the fretboard. I add a degree of difficulty by refusing to use a pick

MrCincinnati · #**693** 12-19-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MissingHighs

Having asked loads of folk about a trick to learning intervals, no-one has come up with something that works for me. I've just discovered a neat trick; play along to ALL my songs on the MP3 player, each and every one! No excuses (no hitting "forward" button). And to do it without music sheets. Just listen to the mistakes, and then on the next verse try find out what was wrong and do it right. As Victor W says "embrace mistakes".

I've found it more difficult to use tabs than just to learn the song by ear -

a2zbassman · #**694** 12-19-2012, 11:22 AM

There is nothing simple about learning Casting Crowns - Until the Whole World Hears note for note. In fact, Adam Nitti continually challenges me on his studio work with them. His fills and feel on many of those songs he recorded are so melodic, flow so perfectly, but are contrary to my playing style and groove. I usually end up having to look up the tabs, or someones youtube demo to do them 100% right. Fortunately, I've never played with a group who doesn't take a little liberty in making the song, "our own" to one degree or another.

MrCincinnati · #**695** 12-19-2012, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by a2zbassman

Fortunately, I've never played with a group who doesn't take a little liberty in making the song, "our own" to one degree or another.

Yeah same - I normally don't try to imitate a fill exactly as it was played on the CD (they don't even try to do that in live shows for the most part unless it's crucial to the melody/sequence) but I do try to capture the vibe.

_aflores_funk · #**696** 12-19-2012, 11:55 AM

Has anyone tried Yahweh(The Lifter)? Being both a drummer and a bassist at my church I enjoy looking for songs which are both fun and challenging on both instruments. Tommy Sims sure knows where to throw in those mid-high notes! Aw man, now i'm anxious to get home so i can play it

MissingHighs · #**697** 12-19-2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by a2zbassman

I've never played with a group who doesn't take a little liberty in making the song, "our own" to one degree or another.

By this, do you mean that as the keys player begins to hits as many keys as possible (this is meant to signify the beginning, I think), this, of course, done while holding the sustain thingy down.... constantly; the guitarist is strumming his heart out; the drummer is smacking, what's it usually called, "four to the floor" or something; the bassist, he's laid back, waiting for an opportune moment to try and add dynamics by coming in when it should be appropriate (his efforts not heard because everyone else is playing non-stop flat out); then, yes, I too play in such a group where each one "makes it their own!"

Jhengsman · #**698** 12-19-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MrCincinnati

some of the fills on that fred hammond arr. are beasty
"you are good" is played every other Sunday at my church - what part do you have the guitarist cover?

What I meant that the feel or the driver of the song is the guitar. I can just drone that E and most of the feeling from the original comes through because of the energy provided by the rhythm guitar. On This is Your day the driver is me and if I am not able to step up with something then it could be anybody's version of the song and you don't get the feel of Fred Hammond's arrangement.

MrCincinnati · #**699** 12-19-2012, 12:28 PM

Ahh yeah true - our guitarist does his rhythm thing with that Israel cut while I sit back and have a chance to look away from my fretboard lol

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Originally Posted by Jhengsman

What I meant that the feel or the driver of the song is the guitar. I can just drone that E and most of the feeling from the original comes through because of the energy provided by the rhythm guitar. On This is Your day the driver is me and if I am not able to step up with something then it could be anybody's version of the song and you don't get the feel of Fred Hammond's arrangement.

a2zbassman · #**700** 12-19-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MissingHighs

By this, do you mean that as the keys player begins to hits as many keys as possible (this is meant to signify the beginning, I think), this, of course, done while holding the sustain thingy down.... constantly; the guitarist is strumming his heart out; the drummer is smacking, what's it usually called, "four to the floor" or something; the bassist, he's laid back, waiting for an opportune moment to try and add dynamics by coming in when it should be appropriate (his efforts not heard because everyone else is playing non-stop flat out); then, yes, I too play in such a group where each one "makes it their own!"

Nope, that goes beyond, "a little liberty" by my definition.

And may I add, WOW!

. . . And OUCH!! (just for good measure)

I'd have a difficult time of letting my light shine in such circumstances. God's blessings to you brother.