The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 22

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by Dan Knowlton

So, I have about $8k in basses - should I look for a $1.4k DI?

Dan K.

You think you have problems? Where am I going to find a £18 DI for my £90 Squier?

[mtb777]

Happy Thanksgiving everyone. Blessings to all of you and remember to eat often and nap! Repeat as required.

[MissingHighs]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

You think you have problems? Where am I going to find a £18 DI for my £90 Squier?

You could reverse the ratio and spend £450 on the DI....

If you're being serious, then eBay! The "Chord active DI" is just the ticket. I use them all the time with sound work I do (only snag, got to fix a small design fault with a 100-ohm resistor and a 100nF capacitor around the Zener, and then they're pretty quiet; have a rather annoying 'pink noise' without the fix).

M. <><

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

You could reverse the ratio and spend £450 on the DI....

If you're being serious, then eBay! The "Chord active DI" is just the ticket. I use them all the time with sound work I do (only snag, got to fix a small design fault with a 100-ohm resistor and a 100nF capacitor around the Zener, and then they're pretty quiet; have a rather annoying 'pink noise' without the fix).

M. <><

Not being serious (well, not knowingly)! eBay is how I got the bass so cheap in the first place. But when my new bass arrives, a £160 DI would be what the formula suggests. It's worth bearing in mind if I ever find myself needing to buy a DI.

Apparently DIs and wedges are provided for the service on Sunday night. I'm fully expecting sound to be terrible but to smile my way through it and concentrate on giving the best I can. I may be pleasantly surprised!

[adambomb]

Happy thanksgiving guys

Remember to thank God for all the blessings too many to mention of even conceive in the mind.

Have a great and safe day.
And eat way too much. Wait an hour and do it all over again.
Take a turkey coma.

..........And enjoy yourself and your families.

[jmclearnon]

Just to let you know the "in-house" DI's i have used are general purpose ones (fair enough to them, they can;t buy loads of specialist equipment!). When i got my radial and plugged in for the first time beside the desk so i could compare the in-house with mine and hear what they sounded like through the FOH speakers....

The difference on the low end, especially the Low B on my 5er was massive! Also the massive reduction in hiss and noise was amazing.


Ps, that's what happens when you upgrade from Behringer stuff to Bass specific stuff. I have also played on "Bass DI's" that were terrible so like any piece of equipment that is expensive try and get a hold of it to test drive it

[SoVeryTired]

Happy Thanksgiving to those of you in the US.

To the rest of us - happy regular Thursday. Which is happy, because it's rehearsal night!

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by jmclearnon

Just to let you know the "in-house" DI's i have used are general purpose ones (fair enough to them, they can;t buy loads of specialist equipment!). When i got my radial and plugged in for the first time beside the desk so i could compare the in-house with mine and hear what they sounded like through the FOH speakers....

The difference on the low end, especially the Low B on my 5er was massive! Also the massive reduction in hiss and noise was amazing.


Ps, that's what happens when you upgrade from Behringer stuff to Bass specific stuff. I have also played on "Bass DI's" that were terrible so like any piece of equipment that is expensive try and get a hold of it to test drive it

Interesting. I may put a DI in my wishlist, well behind decent earbuds/custom moulds though.

[JebDude]

A Happy Thanksgiving to all. Son and daughter-in-law will be joining us in the evening after the earlier part of the day with her parents.

JB

[jmclearnon]

LOl SoVeryTired, i havent even begun to think about in-ear stuff yet, thats another whole ball game i have yet to research.....

Just currently waiting on my Wyn 6-string being made

[adambomb]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

Happy Thanksgiving to those of you in the US.

SVT,
HAPPY THURSDAY!!!!!

[MissingHighs]

^^^

Does that make today "Happy Thank Goodness Day"?....

"thank goodness that's all over, for another year anyway"

M. <><

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by MissingHighs

^^^

Does that make today "Happy Thank Goodness Day"?....

"thank goodness that's all over, for another year anyway"

M. <><

I believe it's Black Friday today. It's when you stop being thankful and revert to hating everything. But I could be wrong.

[SoVeryTired]

I'm glad we've been having this discussion on DIs recently and that I read the Radial guide. The bass was really noisy last night, more than just the usual hum I might get from a relative cheap bass with single coils. Lots of checking leads and pressing buttons. The main difference to usual was that, as I was at the front of stage and singing, I was plugged into a DI box rather than the usual rack at the back of the stage. Using my newfound knowledge I asked if it was a passive DI as I'd heard that they don't necessarily work as well as active with passive basses. We ran a long lead to the usual rack unit and... problem gone. I'm still not sure what the unit is but it's obviously a type of DI that's better quality or works better with bass than the usual generic boxes we've got.

[jmclearnon]

My DI is Active with an Active bass. Could also be faulty or really crap gnd lift...

Also some companies don't understand how to write proper specs....

http://www.behringer.com/assets/DI100_P0062_M_EN.pdf

Whereas Radial

http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/jdv-specs.php

gives you correct terminology and graphs to show you want is going on. Since i do EEE at university i can convert that the graphs are not misrepresented . Also from experience its quite hard to design circuits with good low frequency response around 20-40 Hz without lots of noise... so be careful and wary of what people are churning out.

Is the other very high quality one i have come across, never played one, but from the reviews i may have to get one in the future

http://adesignsaudio.com/index_htm_f...manual1_5x.pdf

[SoVeryTired]

I'm realising how clueless I am on DI - when what's provided works, I've not felt the need to dig deeper. I guess that's a side-effect of always playing in one place. I feel glad in many ways that I don't need to worry about amps either. I've been able to focus my information-gathering on technique and the instrument itself so far but I think I need to start learning more about what happens once the signal leaves my instrument or pedalboard.

[jmclearnon]

Yeah it's useful, i just sit and learn stuff about audio processing and signals pretty much all day. Also in university i have learnt about FFT and other things, and how to make filters.

Btw pedal boards CAN introduce lots of noise, hint on the word can but not always, such as connecting jacks and especially power supplies. Unfortunately the general all purpose (cheaper ones) are a bit noisy.

Tbh i bring all my own stuff to the church i play at, luckily i have a audio interface + mainstage based system so i can just do things without an amp if i need to and plug several basses and my cello in But nothing beats a good amp! but for traveling around to other places its sooooo useful.

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by jmclearnon

Yeah it's useful, i just sit and learn stuff about audio processing and signals pretty much all day. Also in university i have learnt about FFT and other things, and how to make filters.

Btw pedal boards CAN introduce lots of noise, hint on the word can but not always, such as connecting jacks and especially power supplies. Unfortunately the general all purpose (cheaper ones) are a bit noisy.

Tbh i bring all my own stuff to the church i play at, luckily i have a audio interface + mainstage based system so i can just do things without an amp if i need to and plug several basses and my cello in But nothing beats a good amp! but for traveling around to other places its sooooo useful.

I hear you - I've suffered with pedalboard noise in the past (on guitar) so made sure I got a good power supply and connecting jacks. Whenever I've heard any problems on a channel the first thing I do is bypass the pedalboard to see if that's added any noise - so far, with my current setup, it's all good.

On an ampless stage with IEMs, a good amp would be sadly wasted on me unless I did a lot of playing out. It's not on my 'to buy' list for now, but who knows in the future. Then there's a whole new world of information and opinions to wade through.

[jmclearnon]

Good amps are SOOO expensive , well like any stuff just like a good bass tbh.

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by jmclearnon

Good amps are SOOO expensive , well like any stuff just like a good bass tbh.

Yep: expensive + unnecessary = not going to happen.