Has any of you played bass to Sing to the King, the Passion version sung by Candi Pearson? If so could you give me some ideas on how you played it?
Thanks in advance.
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OMGosh I couldn't turn this down. Can't really afford it but the price is just too good. $650.00 CDN for a Traynor YBA-200 and it's matching YBX1510 cabinet? What a steal. Picking her up on thursday.
Can't wait to try her out. Might bring it to church on Sunday and maybe even shlep it down to our Hard Rock Cafe evening service. I'll let y'all know how it sounds on Monday.
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Hey gang, Can you check this soundclip out?
I run my G&L L2000 thru the tech21 VT pedal. Bass at 1:00 High at 11:00, Mids at 2:00 , Character knob at 11:00, and Drive at 11:00
I feel as if my bass is a bit loud in the mix, but when I lower the recording input for my channel a little bit, my bass doesnt seem to cut thru. I was thinking of adding a parametric EQ to my signal chain? I just want my notes more accentuated than they currently are. Thank you for any help, flames or otherwise!
Nice job- tidy playing, good movement between the upper and lower registers, etc.
I do hear a few things that might affect the difficulties you're experiencing with mixing, though:
1. Listening to your line, it sounds like you might have some issues with string-to-string balance or EQ. The two lowest notes in the descending line you play in the intro, are noticeably louder and fatter then the higher part of that line. Same thing when you come in down low, around the 1 minute mark.
That imbalance alone, means that if you turn down your track overall, the high parts will get buried.
2. There's not a lot of air in the track, once the band comes in full. The drummer has a busy right foot, the cymbals are rarely silent, the guitars rarely "take a breath", and you are playing a lot of long, sustained notes on bass.
Creating holes in the mix by damping between phrases, linking the bass to the kick instead of letting the two elements roam independently, having the guitars do some call-and-response tradeoffs, and introducing some gaps and shots, could all serve to make all of the parts more distinct.
3. There seems to be a lot of compression. Don't know if it's introduced at source through effects pedals, at FOH, or in the recording process, but there's relatively little dynamic punch to the guitars, drums or bass.
In particular, your bass gets a nice, penetrating growly presence part-way through the song, but the effect is somewhat spoiled by over-compression, at least to my ear. I would actually look to this, before I worried about applying surgical EQ with a parametric.
EDIT: Went back and had another listen. Part of the problem, is probably that the drums are so ambient, while your bass is under the microscope. Might not be a lot you can do with the recording to counter this, and it might not be very representative of what the audience was hearing...
4. That said, it would be interesting to pull out a parametric EQ, and try some gentle "frequency slotting" on the tracks. Nothing radical that changes the overall tone of the instruments. Just carving out little complementary scoops here and there, so that the electric guitar "peeks through" the middle of the acoustic, the kick complements the bass, that sort of thing.
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OMGosh I couldn't turn this down. Can't really afford it but the price is just too good. $650.00 CDN for a Traynor YBA-200 and it's matching YBX1510 cabinet? What a steal. Picking her up on thursday.
Nice. My back hurts just looking at that thing, though.
and you are play a lot of long, sustaining notes on bass.
I figured I would play those long notes to try and open up the song as the guitars were so busy there.
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There seems to be a lot of compression.
Yes the FOH has all channels running thru a compressor. I am not sure of the ratio at all. I figured if anything that would help keep my notes or spikes in check. Its basically vocals and instrumenst running into a mackie 24 channel board out to a TEAC CD burner. There is a compressor in between but again not sure of its make or ratio setting.
I dont want to dig on the guitar players, but yes I often feel the one guy doesnt like to hear "air" lol.
I may play with getting some more growl into my tone. I know on that partiucular pedal the VT if I turn up the Character knob, there will be more prominent grr.
As far as the drummer, Each week its eitehr we have a drummer or someone "sitting in" Usually have the songs practiced and then surprise on sunday morning someone sits in on the drums. So not too easy to lock in with.
Thanks though for your thoughtul reply Steve.
I will keep experimenting.
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On the compression issue... SoundCloud compresses things to pieces anyway, so I always tak things I'm listening to there with a "grain of salt".
That doesn't mean that there may be too much compression initially, but SoundCloud always makes it worse.
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Has any of you played bass to Sing to the King, the Passion version sung by Candi Pearson? If so could you give me some ideas on how you played it?
Thanks in advance.
If you mean this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-ZKzopyzw
Nothing unusual there. Just using two octaves of the same note. Can't tell exactly how the player is doing that. Could be playing the octave on the same string. Could be playing the lower note on one string, then playing an octave up on another string.
Other than the octave thing, the bass player is just playing the root of the chord. And the bass note pattern is matching the kick drum pretty closely. Just need to work that out with the drummer.
I've played this song, but not the same as this recording.
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Hey gang, Can you check this soundclip out?
I run my G&L L2000 thru the tech21 VT pedal. Bass at 1:00 High at 11:00, Mids at 2:00 , Character knob at 11:00, and Drive at 11:00
I feel as if my bass is a bit loud in the mix, but when I lower the recording input for my channel a little bit, my bass doesnt seem to cut thru. I was thinking of adding a parametric EQ to my signal chain? I just want my notes more accentuated than they currently are. Thank you for any help, flames or otherwise!
One thing that stuck out. The kick is very "clickie" sounding. The attack on that drum is rather high pitched. And since the bass is attacking notes at the same time, it sorta seems like the bass notes are clickie. When the bass plays without the kick, I don't hear that click happening, so I don't think the bass is causing the click. Might want to try some eq on the kick.
The only other thing is the room. Sounds like the whole band is inside a big Tupperware bowl. Might get a better overall sound by getting the mics closer to the speakers. Or some other way to pick up less room.
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I prefer real drums too. I just can't get behind the approach of "science says I have to have it my way", when there are too many examples to the contrary. I'm more inclined to make it work even if it's not my favorite situation rather than throwing up my hands and announcing we're doomed if I don't get my way.
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If you mean this version http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-ZKzopyzw
Nothing unusual there. Just using two octaves of the same note. Can't tell exactly how the player is doing that. Could be playing the octave on the same string. Could be playing the lower note on one string, then playing an octave up on another string.
Other than the octave thing, the bass player is just playing the root of the chord. And the bass note pattern is matching the kick drum pretty closely. Just need to work that out with the drummer.
I've played this song, but not the same as this recording.
+1 I actually played this version recently. Good advice.
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I've not played one of those I don't think and I've played a bunch of different ones and they all play pretty decent. The electronics or piezoelectrics are different. I have an NS CR-4T that I love and its very easy to play considering the scale difference. For $300 you can't really go too wrong. Check out the threads here on TB and they should give you very specific info on what you are getting into. Make sure there's no cracks or anything.
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Did I read that correctly? Amp wide open and still hard to hear? Do you have the option of tweaking your amp EQ to your liking for the stage and sending a pre-EQ signal to the board? Or do you have a really small amp?
(Not picking, just trying to help.)
Pick away, its OK and no problem. I use an Ampeg BA-500 combo that's provided as a monitor, its tilted back and pointed right at my head. Crank the mids, everything still disappears.
I wish I could describe what its like to play there. It's like playing through speakers set up down the street. Vocals are fine though.
My wife says it sounds good out in the worship space. I think the sound guy just wants to "feel" the bass rather than hear it.
Come to think of it, when you get to know the theology of the place it makes a lot of sense!
The ad homenim comments, even if ever so minor, are not appreciated especially on a Christian topic thread.
I had a response to your post typed out explaining where I was coming from and why the posters who responded to you are right, but the greater good will be accomplished by "agreeing to disagree" and moving on to other topics.
Until next time, may things be well with you.
Sorry it came out that way. May things be well with you as well.
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Anyone have experience with the Snark SN10 pedal tuner? I am looking for an inexpensive pedal tuner. I also am looking at the Joyo JT305, the Fender PT100 or the Behringer TU300.
I've read the Boss TU3 is supposed to be the best but I can't see myself spending $100 on a tuner.
Anyone have experience with the Snark SN10 pedal tuner? I am looking for an inexpensive pedal tuner. I also am looking at the Joyo JT305, the Fender PT100 or the Behringer TU300.
I've read the Boss TU3 is supposed to be the best but I can't see myself spending $100 on a tuner.
My local dealer has the snark pedal tuners, however, for not much more money, you can score a Korg Pitchblack+ off of amazon.com
+1 on the PitchBlack +... I've been using one for quite some time now and I love it.
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Sunday's going to be fun- the kiddos are coming up to sing the tag for Third Day's Children Of God. It was rough when we ran through it last week, but last night there was much more participation and much less silliness and they sounded great.
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