The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 23

[Paladin54]

Originally Posted by english4bw

Yeah. here's a few more typical names, just in case you hear them and aren't familiar.

Stage terminology (short-form)

Backstage - area behind stage (usually separated by a curtain/staging)
Upstage - rear of stage (usually connected to the backstage area)
Backline - located in the upstage area and/or at the back of a raised stage.
Downstage - front of stage
Stage Left
Stage Right
MAINS - P.A. speakers
SUBS - Low-freq./bass speakers
IEMs - in-ear monitors
MON - wedge/stage monitors
SOS - side of stage mixer (usually to control MON, IEMs, lighting, etc.)

There's a few there I've never heard of. But I would never have put FOH and soundboard together. Our board is at the back of the sanctuary.

[5StringFool]

We're adding a new song this week. It's a version of Amazing Grace set to the tune of the Eagles Peaceful Easy Feeling. On the run through at prrehearsal Thursday night it sounded pretty sweet. The other songs for this week are:

Let the River Flow
Nothing Without You
Take My Life (Holiness)

[throughthefire]

Originally Posted by english4bw

Stage terminology (short-form)

Backstage - area behind stage (usually separated by a curtain/staging)
Upstage - rear of stage (usually connected to the backstage area)
Backline - located in the upstage area and/or at the back of a raised stage.
Downstage - front of stage
Stage Left
Stage Right
MAINS - P.A. speakers
SUBS - Low-freq./bass speakers
IEMs - in-ear monitors
MON - wedge/stage monitors
SOS - side of stage mixer (usually to control MON, IEMs, lighting, etc.)

You forgot...

Green Room - Where the band hang out between sermons. Usually contains coffee, doughnuts and M&M's (with the green ones taken out).

DI - Direct Interface - Small box connecting bass player to soundboard

Stage Left/Stage Right - determined relative to a performer facing the audience (so Stage Left is on the right-hand side of the audience, etc)

The gods - The cheap seats, high in the back.

God - The one we're playing for. Lord most High.

[Samsound]

Originally Posted by Dave the Bass

Between the IEMs, the Mackies pointed up at him, and the Bose from the sides and rear, he's probably getting so much phase cancellation that no amount of volume will allow him to hear clearly......all those different soundwaves coming from all those different directions are just wiping each other out. He really needs to pick just one system and go with that.....

As a matter of fact, onstage all the vocals have really bad comb filtering and phaser sounds happening. It's not audible in the congregation, but it is on the sides of the stage. I've pointed that out, too, but he just shrugged it off. Anyway, I'm sure the Holy Spirit will help me make some amazing lemonade tomorrow!

[tastybasslines]

Outside of pulling an amateur move by stepping on my cord and unplugging (between songs) I had a great service today. I have been meditating recently, and I think it's been helping me to be calmer and more relaxed and in tune with everything. I was really feeling it today, singing my smooth buns off and I never sing.

[blacklariat09]

I need a number, and I guess I'll take whatever I get because I am sure #14 is stolen already. But I am excited... I get to debut my new pedal tomorrow - the Phat Phuk... Probably going to take some tape to the front but excited to start the pedal collection.

[SoCalBassman]

Originally Posted by blacklariat09

I need a number, and I guess I'll take whatever I get because I am sure #14 is stolen already. But I am excited... I get to debut my new pedal tomorrow - the Phat Phuk... Probably going to take some tape to the front but excited to start the pedal collection.

Welcome to the club, blacklariat.
With all due respect, I hope you're going to use the tape to cover over the name on that pedal because I would be embarrassed as hell to walk into church with that showing.

[HereIGoAgain]

Originally Posted by SoCalBassman

Welcome to the club, blacklariat.
With all due respect, I hope you're going to use the tape to cover over the name on that pedal because I would be embarrassed as hell to walk into church with that showing.

Nah, he's using it on the knobs to make sure his settings don't get messed up.

I kid, I kid. I have the same concern about the newer MXR "Custom Bad@$$" pedals.

[blacklariat09]

It's such a great pedal. I am thinking about getting a big muff pi next. I'm not quite sure whether muff is acceptable or not (it may become the big muffin pie )

[sasred]

Boy, this thread is busy!!

khutch--are you surviving the temps OK??? That beta testing job sounds interesting, but definitely a challenge this time of year. Can send job prayers your way if you like.

floatingaxe--thanks for the fretless advice, particularly the technique. Actually applying some of the ideas to my fretted playing--I've been so focused on learning the fretboard properly and regaining my ear that I've not really given much thought to right-hand technique. Have discovered a new level of snarl on my Jazz Bass Special. Which is good, because your encouragement for fretless was beginning to flare up my G.A.S. again...having enough problems with that as is, next bass purchase I'm saving for is a Sadowsky NYC Standard 5, fretted...

Re: the 'what rig do we run' question--I'll have to investigate more closely! I plug into the church's Peavey TNT 115 combo (may have model wrong?), and I know there's an XLR running out of it, not sure where it goes from there, whether or not I'm coming out of the mains as well. We have a fairly small sanctuary so not sure how everything's rigged. I just know I can hear myself just fine, and since the WL rearranged the band layout, I can hear everyone else a lot better, I feel like I'm actually sitting in the mix now.

Question open to all: Any recommended good reading for a relative noob to worship teams? I'm always reading various teachers as supplements to my Bible reading, to expand my knowledge in certain areas and develop more of the heart and character I need. Not sure who to look for regarding worship, have just come across the odd article here and there. Ideas?

[HereIGoAgain]

Originally Posted by blacklariat09

It's such a great pedal. I am thinking about getting a big muff pi next. I'm not quite sure whether muff is acceptable or not (it may become the big muffin pie )

Use a Rat instead.

On guitar, I think the Big Muff stinks. However, everybody who was anybody in the '60s and '70s used one at least once.

Seriously I think Big Muff would be okay.

[aServantLeader]

Originally Posted by sasred

Boy, this thread is busy!!

khutch--are you surviving the temps OK??? That beta testing job sounds interesting, but definitely a challenge this time of year. Can send job prayers your way if you like.

floatingaxe--thanks for the fretless advice, particularly the technique. Actually applying some of the ideas to my fretted playing--I've been so focused on learning the fretboard properly and regaining my ear that I've not really given much thought to right-hand technique. Have discovered a new level of snarl on my Jazz Bass Special. Which is good, because your encouragement for fretless was beginning to flare up my G.A.S. again...having enough problems with that as is, next bass purchase I'm saving for is a Sadowsky NYC Standard 5, fretted...

Re: the 'what rig do we run' question--I'll have to investigate more closely! I plug into the church's Peavey TNT 115 combo (may have model wrong?), and I know there's an XLR running out of it, not sure where it goes from there, whether or not I'm coming out of the mains as well. We have a fairly small sanctuary so not sure how everything's rigged. I just know I can hear myself just fine, and since the WL rearranged the band layout, I can hear everyone else a lot better, I feel like I'm actually sitting in the mix now.

Question open to all: Any recommended good reading for a relative noob to worship teams? I'm always reading various teachers as supplements to my Bible reading, to expand my knowledge in certain areas and develop more of the heart and character I need. Not sure who to look for regarding worship, have just come across the odd article here and there. Ideas?

I have read "What the Bible Teaches About Worship" by Robert L. Dickie

I constantly remind myself who I am doing this for and it is for His glory, not my own.

Once that is lost or starts shifting to myself, prayer is needed to bring it back to the "Heart of Worship"

As a perfectionist, I struggle with perfection and worship, we want to do our best for our lord but, there is a very fine line between the two.

As I pursue a balance between the two, sometimes that line gets blurred, and that is where prayer and meditation helps keep me grounded in what is important....Worship.

One of my favorite quotes from a great man:

"You cannot change yesterday, and a better tomorrow will be the result of what you do today. If you do your best angels can do no better. And this present moment – right now – is when you have that opportunity."
-John Wooden

[floatingaxe]

Originally Posted by sasred

Boy, this thread is busy!!
...because your encouragement for fretless was beginning to flare up my G.A.S. again...having enough problems with that as is, next bass purchase I'm saving for is a Sadowsky NYC Standard 5, fretted...

Terribly sorry about that. Actually, um, fretless is horrible in worship and I don't recommend it.

Originally Posted by sasred

Question open to all: Any recommended good reading for a relative noob to worship teams? I'm always reading various teachers as supplements to my Bible reading, to expand my knowledge in certain areas and develop more of the heart and character I need. Not sure who to look for regarding worship, have just come across the odd article here and there. Ideas?

There is a great book called Worship as it is in Heaven, by John Dickson

Matt Redmond has a good book too. I forget the title.

[mdjuszyn]

Originally Posted by throughthefire

You forgot...

DI - Direct Interface - Small box connecting bass player to soundboard

I think DI actually stands for Direct Injection or Direct Inject. Someone correct me if I am wrong........

[JebDude]

Sorry, but DI does indeed stand for Direct Interface.

Don't know the setlist for today, no practice last Monday. I'll be on 6-string 'soprano bass' and vocals.

JB

Originally Posted by mdjuszyn

I think DI actually stands for Direct Injection or Direct Inject. Someone correct me if I am wrong........

[ExaltBass]

You are both right...

A DI unit, DI box, Direct Box, or simply DI (variously claimed to stand for direct input, direct injection or direct interface), is a device typically used in recording studios to connect a high-impedance, line level, unbalanced output signal to a low-impedance microphone level balanced input, usually via XLR connector. (Wikipedia)

[dDaddybass]

Direct injection is an automotive term. Direct (fuel) injection is the method of injecting the fuel directly in the combustion chamber as opposed to a more traditional fuel injection system which injects into individual ports of the intake manifold.

[english4bw]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

Direct injection is an automotive term. Direct (fuel) injection is the method of injecting the fuel directly in the combustion chamber as opposed to a more traditional fuel injection system which injects into individual ports of the intake manifold.

Yeah... I've never heard the term "direct injection" related to DI boxes. It's always "direct input" or "direct interface". Interface usually refers to something active, which I tend to correlate with digital sound and/or MIDI, whereas plain old "input" usually refers to a passive go-between. Just my experience.

[kevbethphx]

Originally Posted by Basstreble

Hey when you guys play at your church, do you guys play with an head and cab, a combo, just through the mains, or amps+mains? Sorry if this has been asked before but I'm curious what you guys do. Thanks!

With us, we go through a cab and head for some rumble on-stage and then we run direct so I, or the sound guy when I play, can control the mix.

[jefff100]

Originally Posted by throughthefire

You forgot...

Green Room - Where the band hang out between sermons. Usually contains coffee, doughnuts and M&M's (with the green ones taken out).

Is this something to do with the green room....like the weather people on TV in front of a blue screen and thus cannot wear blue? Green M&M's would be invisible? Perhaps their calories & saturated fat don't count if they are eaten in the green room?

Our church building is quite old and dosent have any hidden alcoves and rooms. there is a narrow staircase behind and off to the side of the alter but if you are carrying a bass case (or if you simply are a big person); forget it. You need to use the front entrance. There's another even smaller, more narrow staircase on the other side but it only goes to the organist's pit.