The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 23

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by mtb777

At Harbour Church, where I attend (And want to play at) they use Aviom system and a click track...

...their original music is worked out on their website with BPM info even though they are very, very spontaneous during Worship.

How do you define spontaneous?

One of the teams I work with, will sometimes work into a worship set with a very slow, contemplative vamp. Other times, they will play a verse or two of a song at a much slower tempo than normal.

Once the WL senses that the congregation has shaken off distraction and is really with us, she'll either ramp it up to the normal tempo, or simply shift gears on a turnaround. Alternatively, we'll be thundering along in top gear, and she will pull us back to a slow, haunting vamp for some improvised worship.

We also have a tune (Deep Cries Out, by Christiann Koepke and William Matthews) that we have turned into something of a novelty song. We typically play it at the peak of a worship set, and people flock down for the front for it. During the lines "If he goes to the left" and "if he goes to the right", people basically line dance to the left and right, and pogo during the "jump jump, jump jump in the river" sections.

We often ramp that one up in tempo gradually, until we reduce everybody to a pile of sweaty rubble. Perfect time for a transition into corporate prayer, testimony, or whatever seems appropriate.

I can see a congregation being spontaneous in terms of the number of repeats they do, or going back to a verse for emphasis, but I'm wondering how you would handle those sort of tempo changes with a fixed click?

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by HereIGoAgain

Does this actually happen???????? I've been in situations where I've about turned my amp off and played a song, and people didn't even realize I was gone.

I played for four years in a congregation where the demographic was mainly the college crowd (we live in a university town), and my natural sense of how loud I should be, was less than they wanted.

I had to adjust to hearing myself "too loud" in the mains, and not pull back as a result...

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

I already know the BPM for each song we do. I found a handy free piece of software called "BPM Analyzer" - you point it at a folder full of MP3s and it'll give you the BPM for each - to two decimal places! It sometimes gets confused and will mark a 70bpm song as 140, but that's easily interpreted.

Cool! You can do that with any metronome that features a tap tempo function, but it would be handy to be able batch-process a bunch of new recordings in one shot.

[blacklariat09]

Going acoustic this week (which I love because then it's just simple drive bass lines of mostly roots but it pumps through the system)

Salvation is Here
Reign in Us
Forever Reign
Redemption Reign (by Melissa Helser - who is a friend of one of our vocalists/link at the bottom)
Always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kXJ...=youtube_gdata

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

We also have a tune (Deep Cries Out, by Christiann Koepke and William Matthews) that we have turned into something of a novelty song. We typically play it at the peak of a worship set, and people flock down for the front for it. During the lines "If he goes to the left" and "if he goes to the right", people basically line dance to the left and right, and pogo during the "jump jump, jump jump in the river" sections.

William Matthews himself does that too!

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Cool! You can do that with any metronome that features a tap tempo function, but it would be handy to be able batch-process a bunch of new recordings in one shot.

Yep, very handy tool. I have a folder with our current songlist and run it through the software, then add the BPM as a note on Planning Center so everyone has the same base to practice from.

[Meshuggah604]

Hey guys, can I get a number? I am part of the worship team at my College church, Twin City Bible Church - Midtown in champaign Illinois and my campus fellowship, Greek Intervarsity at the University of Illinois

[khutch]

Originally Posted by Meshuggah604

Hey guys, can I get a number? I am part of the worship team at my College church, Twin City Bible Church - Midtown in champaign Illinois and my campus fellowship, Greek Intervarsity at the University of Illinois

Welcome aboard! My mother- and sister-in-law live in and near Champaign respectively. And it seems like most of my ABF has a child or two attending U of I right now so if you meet anyone from the Free Church in Crystal Lake I may know them. Our numbers guy will get you a number shortly.

Ken

[Paladin54]

Any TBer in the Holland MI area know of a good mid week music service? I'm in town for business and would like a distraction from the hotel room and would love to hear some great praise music.

[Sethbass]

As to the click yea or nay... It's a yea for me. At least when your drummer is only 18... Actually (before i resigned) we allowed the drummer to control the click which we had set up where as he would control it with a foot switch. More often than not i would still find myself stomping my foot like a counting horse.. One stomp two stomps go!!!

[ExaltBass]

Our drummer, electric violinist, keyboardist, drummer and myself use IEMs with the click that is volume adjustable. We occasionally use click with backing tracks. The others use wedges... no click. We will be migrating to all IEMs over the next few months.

The click mostly helps to keep a pace on the typical all-in intro... all-out 1st verse and chorus... then all-in again formats. Sometimes we don't use a click, then time resides-in-the-bass. I think in subdivisions when I'm playing quarter and eighth notes and back in quarter notes when I'm playing 16ths.

Our drummer controls the click, and if we start going free, then he turns it off and we're on our own...

Here's a recent YouTube video of our drummer doing his thing with "You Have Me" by Gungor. He's a treat to play with!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQfr1...ature=youtu.be

[steve_rolfeca]

Interesting... Nice to see a church drummer with some volume control, individuality and taste!

EDIT: I should have listened all the way through before I posted. What's with the herd of elephants at around 2:44? I don't hear anything in the vocal or other instrumentation that suggests it...

[ExaltBass]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Interesting... Nice to see a church drummer with some volume control, individuality and taste!

EDIT: I should have listened all the way through before I posted. What's with the herd of elephants at around 2:44? I don't hear anything in the vocal or other instrumentation that suggests it...

Huh???

[steve_rolfeca]

Originally Posted by ExaltBass

Huh???

I'll have to listen to it again with headphones, but on my computer speakers, he's got a huge low end bloom going on from about 2 minutes 44 sec. Sounds like growing thunder, and meanwhile, the lyric is still quite gentle...

[MissingHighs]

Originally Posted by Sethbass

More often than not i would still find myself stomping my foot like a counting horse..

You do that too, do you!? If the drummer doesn't take note of my right hand tapping out the count (between notes, of course), then I AM the click track... maybe more accurately called a 'clack track'

[MikeBass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNW3...e_gdata_player

From a few weeks back.

Bass is as the video title says, my Sadowsky Will Lee.
The fun begins at the outro chorus when I drop my Hipshot D-Tuner with the Double Stop Lever down to low B.
Those not familiar with the Double Stop Lever on a D-Tuner, it gives you two drop settings. I have one set at drop D and the second at drop B.
I rarely take a 5 string anymore.
And not a bad "B" from a .100 DAddario E string.

[christle]

Originally Posted by MikeBass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNW3...e_gdata_player

From a few weeks back.

Bass is as the video title says, my Sadowsky Will Lee.
The fun begins at the outro chorus when I drop my Hipshot D-Tuner with the Double Stop Lever down to low B.
Those not familiar with the Double Stop Lever on a D-Tuner, it gives you two drop settings. I have one set at drop D and the second at drop B.
I rarely take a 5 string anymore.
And not a bad "B" from a .100 DAddario E string.

That double stop really popped! I really enjoyed the whole thing, it was done very well. Sounds like a very solid team.

I am also using my 4's more and they have the Detuners on them as well. Great devices

[mtb777]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

How do you define spontaneous?

One of the teams I work with, will sometimes work into a worship set with a very slow, contemplative vamp. Other times, they will play a verse or two of a song at a much slower tempo than normal.

Once the WL senses that the congregation has shaken off distraction and is really with us, she'll either ramp it up to the normal tempo, or simply shift gears on a turnaround. Alternatively, we'll be thundering along in top gear, and she will pull us back to a slow, haunting vamp for some improvised worship.

We also have a tune (Deep Cries Out, by Christiann Koepke and William Matthews) that we have turned into something of a novelty song. We typically play it at the peak of a worship set, and people flock down for the front for it. During the lines "If he goes to the left" and "if he goes to the right", people basically line dance to the left and right, and pogo during the "jump jump, jump jump in the river" sections.

We often ramp that one up in tempo gradually, until we reduce everybody to a pile of sweaty rubble. Perfect time for a transition into corporate prayer, testimony, or whatever seems appropriate.

I can see a congregation being spontaneous in terms of the number of repeats they do, or going back to a verse for emphasis, but I'm wondering how you would handle those sort of tempo changes with a fixed click?

Missed this.....

An hour and a half of worship. Usually 4 songs, maybe 5, with spontaneous verses and lyrics some times blending into another similar song and back into what're they were into. Very much into the Jesus Culture/Bethel vein. Lots of dynamics huge room shaking crescendos to pulling the bottom out of it with whispers. The Spirit oozes!

Someone above mentioned young drummers and one of the 2 regulars is a 15 year old who is very good. He's the son of my Home Fellowship hosts. He replaced an 11 year old who just moved up to NC last yeas and was 11 or 12 and he was just smoking hot. Freaked me out when I saw him coming out of the drummers cave first time.

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by MikeBass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNW3...e_gdata_player

From a few weeks back.

Bass is as the video title says, my Sadowsky Will Lee.
The fun begins at the outro chorus when I drop my Hipshot D-Tuner with the Double Stop Lever down to low B.
Those not familiar with the Double Stop Lever on a D-Tuner, it gives you two drop settings. I have one set at drop D and the second at drop B.
I rarely take a 5 string anymore.
And not a bad "B" from a .100 DAddario E string.

Great sound! And I say that as a .136 B string guy.

How do you find playing with the E dropped down so far? I'm guessing you have to lighten your touch? And if my numbers are right, you're up to the 10th fret before you can move up a string - does that make life difficult?

Really nice playing and a good overall sound. Well played to the whole team!

[bass10bfb]

Originally Posted by MikeBass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNW3...e_gdata_player

From a few weeks back.

Bass is as the video title says, my Sadowsky Will Lee.
The fun begins at the outro chorus when I drop my Hipshot D-Tuner with the Double Stop Lever down to low B.
Those not familiar with the Double Stop Lever on a D-Tuner, it gives you two drop settings. I have one set at drop D and the second at drop B.
I rarely take a 5 string anymore.
And not a bad "B" from a .100 DAddario E string.

Nice job bro!!! I love that song too. I have not played it full band yet, but me and my singer played it acoustically. Congregation loves it and responds to it very well. Great job all the way around!!!