The Praise and Worship Band Bassists Club part 23

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Interesting... Nice to see a church drummer with some volume control, individuality and taste!

EDIT: I should have listened all the way through before I posted. What's with the herd of elephants at around 2:44? I don't hear anything in the vocal or other instrumentation that suggests it...

I hear what you're saying. I think it's the way the floor tom (I presume - but it sounds almost like timpani) is EQ'd - loads of boom. It's a little noticeable earlier compared to the other drums during the hand-playing section, then is louder at the point you mention. For me, for the next minute or so, I lose track of the beat. I'm sure the drummer has it but it gets a bit too jazz for my ears to lock onto!

[SoVeryTired]

So stoked to be playing with Carlos Whittaker again next weekend (albeit on rhythm guitar and backing vox rather than bass). Here's the video of last time he came - I think it was 2010.

Yes, it's just a video mic capture of the house sound so not great quality. And it was our old hall and sound system. And I was very new to bass (like had only played 3 or 4 times in church and didn't have a bass of my own). I'd only found out what keys we were doing the songs in the day before. And was singing backing vox as well, which distracts me. And lots of other excuses I haven't thought of yet.

[SoVeryTired]

I killed the thread.

Rehearsal tonight. And it looks like I'm playing lead guitar next weekend rather than acoustic, so that means the bass is going to be taking a backseat in my practice time. I have to practice a lot harder at lead than rhythm - it doesn't come naturally to me, but playing bass has helped me think more in terms of single notes and to get the right intervals.

[jmclearnon]

Revived ...

[mtb777]

Originally Posted by blacklariat09

Going acoustic this week (which I love because then it's just simple drive bass lines of mostly roots but it pumps through the system)

Salvation is Here
Reign in Us
Forever Reign
Redemption Reign (by Melissa Helser - who is a friend of one of our vocalists/link at the bottom)
Always

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kXJ...=youtube_gdata

The Helsers just came by our church for 12/12/12 Conference!

[SoVeryTired]

Resurrected!

I love Thursday evenings. I'm going to try and trace the noise in my effects chain tonight but am quite happy without if I can't solve the problem. We are doing two of my 'effects songs' though, one of which uses two different effects at different points. I'm sure no-one notices out front but it sounds good in my ears.

I do think I'll manage to use all four pickup settings tonight though, so that's plenty of tonal variation to start with.

[Versatek6]

We have been asked to play at a memorial service on Saturday for a dear lady who recently passed. Her grandsons played with us for several years before leaving for college. She often came to our coffeehouse evenings, and was a good friend to all of us. Two of her favorite songs were "You Are My King (Amazing Love)," and "A New Hallelujah," so those will be done at the service. The two grandsons will be joining us, which will be nice.

Sunday is our annual church conference, where we review the year and vote on membership roll removals and salaries, and other things required by the district. It had been a dull process that no one really showed up for.

Several years back, someone decided to turn it into a lunch. That helped, but it was still dull. So, it was turned into a themed event that eventually worked its way into the service. We have done "The Oscars," "Love Boat," "Back To The 50's," and more. This year it is "Around The World." As usual, everyone is encouraged to dress to the theme: this time to their family heritage, or just to the international theme.

I'll be going to church kilted for the first time.
I don't own anything close to the traditional regalia, but it'll get the point across (I hope). Maybe I can leverage it with the lovely wife to get a proper tartan...

Playlist:
Siyahamba (We are singing)
Hope of the Nations
Hymn: Lord, You Have Come to the Lakeshore
God is Good
Let the Praises Ring - Postlude

[caeman]

This coming Saturday's set list.

[ Pre-Service Praise & Worship ]
Yakum Elohim
Sing Of Your Great Love
El Elyon
Lord God Of Abraham
Adonai

[ Torah Procession ]
Prepare The Way

[ Post-Service Praise & Worship ]
Dance With Me
Behold The Lord
I Surrender (Hillsong)

The last one, I Surrender, it fabulous new song we've added to our standard rotation.

[rotis]

So excited I get to play this Sunday. Here is the set lists.

Feb 1st
1. Show Me Your Glory - C
2. Burning Ones - D (Original)
3. Our Father - A
4. Let it Rain - C#
*
Feb 3rd AM
1. Evermore - C
2. Freedom - D (Original)
3. With Everything - B (Original)
4. Our Father - A
5. To Worship You I Live - C
*
Feb 3rd PM
1. Show Me Your Glory - C
2. With Everything - B (Original)
3. Our Father - A

I am having the hardest time getting the timing of With Everything. All rhythm seems to go out the window late in the song. The kick starts to go crazy and I can't figure how to play it. Any input would be appreciated.

[MikeBass]

Originally Posted by christle

That double stop really popped! I really enjoyed the whole thing, it was done very well. Sounds like a very solid team.

I am also using my 4's more and they have the Detuners on them as well. Great devices

That was a sub band that weekend. But we're bleases with a large team that really has most of the first call guys in town on it.

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

Great sound! And I say that as a .136 B string guy.

How do you find playing with the E dropped down so far? I'm guessing you have to lighten your touch? And if my numbers are right, you're up to the 10th fret before you can move up a string - does that make life difficult?

Really nice playing and a good overall sound. Well played to the whole team!

Yeah, 10th fret before anything changes. You dont play anything real complicated with you dump that far down. Buy for most CCM and country that I do, I can cober most gigs without a 5.

You do have to play a bit lighter and closer to the bridge as well because the string can ger too floppy if you really dig into it.
But I have slappes on it and it sounded fine.

Originally Posted by bass10bfb

Nice job bro!!! I love that song too. I have not played it full band yet, but me and my singer played it acoustically. Congregation loves it and responds to it very well. Great job all the way around!!!

Thanks guys, I was real proud of the way it came out and that song really speaks into peoples heart. Mine especially.
I was blessed to be able to play it that weekend and hope through me and how it moved me, someone who may have been questioning where they were saw the beauty that is God that day.

[english4bw]

This should be an amazing two weeks for my church.



I love when Hillsong leadership comes over and lays down some wisdom. I'd prefer to get some teaching and practical training from these two guys rather than the whole Hillsong worship team any day. I already know how to play the music. Teach me how to be a better leader/minister/team-member and I'm there in a heartbeat. Too much emphasis gets put on the music sometimes, ya know?

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by english4bw

This should be an amazing two weeks for my church.



I love when Hillsong leadership comes over and lays down some wisdom. I'd prefer to get some teaching and practical training from these two guys rather than the whole Hillsong worship team any day. I already know how to play the music. Teach me how to be a better leader/minister/team-member and I'm there in a heartbeat. Too much emphasis gets put on the music sometimes, ya know?

Sounds good. And while I like getting practical music training it can get repetitive. I'm looking forward to next Saturday with Carlos Whittaker where he's running a creative coaching day, focussing on creativity in church across different ministries rather than how to play.

[SoVeryTired]

Originally Posted by caeman

The last one, I Surrender, it fabulous new song we've added to our standard rotation.

I've played it a few times with our youth band, including on a Sunday, and it's a great song. It's nice to play some 3/4 for a change, with a really good groove and lots of space to improvise.

[SoVeryTired]

You know those rehearsals where it feels like there's a wall between you and the PA team? Last night was one of those nights. Okay, it was about 10 feet tall and part of a set of partitions for an exam being held in the hall today. It did make the evening interesting as we could only see anyone on the desk if they stood on it!

I didn't manage to trace the noise from my pedal board, other than to confirm it exists, so I just used my tuner and tried to rely on my hands instead:

Tremolo - I usually use this on long sustained notes at the start of Our God Is Love. I just played big fat notes with both pickups in series instead and it sounded fine. There's no tremolo on the recorded version - I just tried it for fun but it'd dispensable.

Chorus - again on Our God Is Love, I use it at the end of the chorus for the whole notes, just to change the feel. I probably got a better sound by sliding to each note and applying a fair amount of vibrato.

Overdrive - Saviour Of The World has quite a grindy feel to the bass, and I use overdrive on the verses to make it stand out. Instead, I used my bridge pickup (J) solo, which is the first time I've done that fingerstyle for a song rather than just messing about with settings. With a pick it was just that bit too trebly - all bite and no punch. With fingers: grrrrrrrrrowl. Who needs overdrive?

So, all in all, I'm happy leaving the effects to the guitar. It's not as inherently cool so needs more help.

[mkandolf]

Welcome Meshuggah604 to the thread! Your number is 1192.

Last ten #'s added to the list:

1183 Skeeter1
1184 coyoteboy
1185 Sethbass
1186 jesusrocksbass
1187 vinnie6
1188 sasred
1189 tbplayer2
1190 blacklariat09
1191 Basstreble
1192 Meshuggah604

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by SoVeryTired

so I just used my tuner and tried to rely on my hands instead

I have basically given up on effects as well. I find that they never seem to work for me, or just get in the way of other things. I play with a very musical electric guitar player who is very tasteful with effects. We have 2 keyboard players - one basically piano and the other for pads, organ, "horns" whatever we need to fill it out. With all that going on, a clean bass, acoustic guitar and drums is kind of necessary.

I know there are people who use effects with great success, just not me.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by steve_rolfeca

Interesting... Nice to see a church drummer with some volume control, individuality and taste!

EDIT: I should have listened all the way through before I posted. What's with the herd of elephants at around 2:44? I don't hear anything in the vocal or other instrumentation that suggests it...

A one-handed double-stroke on the floor tom (look at his right hand) coupled with the kick too I think. Sounds kinda like a fast triplet. He pulls it off nicely to sound like a fast roll.

Mediocre drummer for 40+ years, Trying to be more than a mediocre Bassist for 10.

[Hawkeye]

This may have been covered before, my apologies if so....

I would like it if the reference tracks that are posted on Planning Center by both of the worship team WL's I play with were actually in the key we were going to play them in. Is this anybody else's experience?

This week, 5 songs and 4 of them in are in higher keys than the fake sheets which have been provided.

I know that all I have to do is transpose in my head but I wish I didn't have to. What I'd really like to be concentrating on is performance and nuance so that my face won't be stuck in the music during the service and I can kinda, you know, participate in the worship. Just sayin'

Usually I:

- Find the song somewhere else on the interwebs (youtube usually)
- Download the video to mp3
- Import the mp3 into Audacity or Sonar
- Change the pitch of the selection according to the songsheet (usually down one to three steps)
- Normalize or compress the selection if the transposed audio goes into the red (with today's highly-compressed recordings it often does)
- Export the workfile to mp3
- Rename the file with the new key designation
- Rehearse to the new audiotrack in the right key

I don't mind if it's one or maybe two a week but when it gets to be more than half an hour playing with files I guess I start to get crusty. I'm the volunteer, in one church they have a full-time WL and an intern, in the other, they have a full-time WL, an intern, and a P/T paid band director.

When you couple the key changes with click trakcs, and the different arrangements that are often employed it makes it more work than is necessary I think.

I do recognize that any real musician worth his/her salt should be able to do these things on the fly without a hiccup and I actually am able to change it up with a high degree of success whenever called upon to do so. I look at the ministry of worship team musician as more than just being a competent performer. I'm trying to experience a little bit of what the rest of the congregation is.

I think I'll make a suggestion at the next meeting that we use actual recordings of the team that employ the actual tempos, arrangements, instrument line-up, key signatures that are used. Just a thot.

[SteveC]

Our PC stuff is always in the key we're doing it - which is often not the same as the reference recording :-)

[rotis]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Our PC stuff is always in the key we're doing it - which is often not the same as the reference recording :-)

How do you do that?