Ryan Martinie of Mudvayne

[ColdYinTiger]

I personally love his playing. I think he is very very talented. I will be honest though. When I first saw pictures of them I was thinking "Jeez look at these guys? They probally sound horrid". Downloaded Dig, and I wasnt impressed at all. Then I downloaded Severd. Then promptly went out and bought the cd and listened to it untill the cd died on me. I need to get anouther one. But hell, they even admited that the make up was a cheep special effect. I mean Everyone has a light show at concerts. When they started with the make up they probally couldnt afford lights so its just adding a bit more. I personally like theatrics to a live performence. It can add big time to your sound live, adding visual to the music. Then again all the theatrics in the world cant save you if your music sucks(In my eyes at least). But anywho, Like Mudvayne. Lots!!

[Brendan]

Originally posted by Turock

I'm sorry that you feel that way, Onesidezero.

Well, Turok, he does have a point (though rather aggressively made). If you have not, and are not willing to listen to him, any and all criticisms are invalididated, even if it is for his stage show. I think you owe it to your argument to at least know what you are criticizing. At least then it would be an informed opinion, instead of a baseless one.

If you're not willing to listen to the music for the looks, it's like not listening to the music for the cover art on the album.

So, as Onesidezero suggested, I think you should at least listen to a song or two, and then pass judgement, rather than booing his stage presence as a representative of his ability.

[pigpen02]

music is so very rooted in the dramatic arts, at least in western culture, that i think it's cool to see people adding a visual element to their art, especially after a decade of mope-rock. music is, at least in part, a performance art, and bringing a variety of stimuli to the show is....good entertainment, i guess.

how much of this is storytelling? and how much of storytelling involves a dramatic presentation that goes beyond the perceptions of a single set of sense organs? enough to justify the get up, i think. of course, that's just my opinion....

[Turock]

Originally posted by Brendan


Well, Turok, he does have a point (though rather aggressively made). If you have not, and are not willing to listen to him, any and all criticisms are invalididated, even if it is for his stage show. I think you owe it to your argument to at least know what you are criticizing. At least then it would be an informed opinion, instead of a baseless one.

You are making the same assumption as Onesidezero, and doing the very thing I am being accused of... which is, having an uninformed, baseless opinion, since not you nor he nor odie could possibly know what I have listened to. Just because I haven't answered his "You haven't heard him play have you?" question, or given him my opinion, doesn't mean anything, except that I didn't appreciate the way I was being talked to, and I was not going to give him an answer.

[Brendan]

Originally posted by Turock

You are making the same assumption as Onesidezero, and doing the very thing I am being accused of... which is, having an uninformed, baseless opinion, since not you nor he nor odie could possibly know what I have listened to. Just because I haven't answered his "You haven't heard him play have you?" question, or given him my opinion, doesn't mean anything, except that I didn't appreciate the way I was being talked to, and I was not going to give him an answer.

Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption. Also you were not nessicarily vocal in you position of displeasure of his verbal stance (instead what may be called "surly"). Leaving him to assume ignorance.
Since no parties involved like assuming, it is a precarious position we have been placed in.

So I will ask in a manner wich is forthright, and polite: Have you heard any of Ryan Martinie's playing (and we will not count the song Dig, because it's popcorn fodder), such as the aforementioned Severed? Or possibly, -1, Cradle, Know Forever, or Nothing to Gein?

[odie]

Man Brendan you're either in early training to be a lawyer or you watch to much Law and Order!!

Well said!!! I assumed Turock hasnt listened to the said band.

[Brendan]

Never seen Law and Order.

[oldirtymoney]

what is a good song that the "ryknow" does some crazy slap ****?????

[Brendan]

Originally posted by oldirtymoney
what is a good song that the "ryknow" does some crazy slap ****?????

None really. He's pretty restrained in his slapping. He uses it, but not in an agressive manner, ergo Flea, Wooten, Claypool, ect. He uses a lot a fingerstyle and chords (broken or otherwise). Nor are there breaks where he solo's...though for a clear cut slap break, Under My Skin has a section where he slaps rather audibley.

[Turock]

Originally posted by Brendan


Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption. Also you were not nessicarily vocal in you position of displeasure of his verbal stance (instead what may be called "surly"). Leaving him to assume ignorance.

Not "nessicarily vocal"? Here is my very first response to him:

Originally posted by Turock

If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez " bit.

So I will ask in a manner wich is forthright, and polite: Have you heard any of Ryan Martinie's playing (and we will not count the song Dig, because it's popcorn fodder), such as the aforementioned Severed? Or possibly, -1, Cradle, Know Forever, or Nothing to Gein?

I could say that I have. What would that mean? I could say anything. You have already made your assumption, and that puts me in a no-win situation, because if I say I have, then I am a liar; and if I say I haven't, then I am "spewing ignorant thoughts across the forum". No thanks.
If you guys like it, that's great. I haven't suggested that you shouldn't.

[boomerang]

this may be a little off topic, but does he use thumb NT's or BO's ?

[geshel]

Originally posted by Brendan
Well, in all fairness, the withholding of information that is pertantent to the "arguement" would in most cases look like a cover of ignorance. Which may not be the case, but with no way to tell, and no forthcoming satisfactory answers, we are left in the unfortunate possition of assumption.

We are? Didn't know I was. . .I thought he just didn't answer the question. . .

Seriously though, in my book that's the one of the largest "civil" evils perpetrated these days: if someone doesn't answer your question, you get to assume the worst. The ". . . that's what I thought" reaction.

media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

[Peter McFerrin]

Originally posted by geshel


media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

Hmm...a couple of gay guys told me I look like Kevin Spacey...therefore, Kevin Spacey must be gay!

Bow before my ARMOR-PLATED LOGIC, Cooper Boy.

[Onesidezero]

Originally posted by boomerang
this may be a little off topic, but does he use thumb NT's or BO's ?

He uses 5 and 4 string Neck Thrus - he has a black 5 and a natural (bubinga) 5, and then a natural 4 with gold hardware.

[Brendan]

Originally posted by Turock

Not "nessicarily vocal"? Here is my very first response to him:


If you had really wanted to know what I think about his playing then you wouldn't have tried to insult me with your childish "Geez :rolleyes" bit.

In which case I was uninformed on my part, and I apologize.

Also, looking over the fact, I can see that it was only myself and Onesidezero that made assumptions. For this, I also apologize. I was wrong, and offer my hand to you.
You are perfectly alright to not say, however I do hope that regardless of idiocy (on my part included), you will venture your opinion on his playing. With the net and all, it only takes a bit to download a song, so in any situation, you CAN hear he stuff enough to respond to the question, "What do you think of his playing."

I askd politely, after having made an ass of myself, and after possibly doing it again, I'll ask nicely again: What do you think of Ryan Martinie's playing?

[Brendan]

Originally posted by geshel


We are? Didn't know I was. . .I thought he just didn't answer the question. . .

Seriously though, in my book that's the one of the largest "civil" evils perpetrated these days: if someone doesn't answer your question, you get to assume the worst. The ". . . that's what I thought" reaction.

media: "Kevin Spacey, are you gay?"
Kevin Spacey: (doesn't answer)
media: "That must mean he's gay! If he wasn't gay, why wouldn't he say so?"

Call me cynical, but in a day and age where privacey is a crime, the media generally relys on the 5th amendment (Do not have to forward informationthat is self incriminating) as a law. So if someone doesn't say something, then it must be either true (the Kevin Spacey example) or important to the person.
Personally, I think freedom of the press does not entail rights to intrude. Can I get an amendment to the 1st that covers media mongers?

[odie]

I think he was just being a jerk about it. The only negativity I sensed was from Turok the rest of the discussion was just a debate and arguement.

Either way Im bowing out.

[Pharmecopia]

[quote]Originally posted by yoshi
my bro downloaded a ryknow bass solo (mostly slap), it sounded VERY fleaish, with similar speed bursts to stanley clarke. it was pretty good though i must say! on the bass player magazine interview he said he uses a .130 as the E string. damn. when i tune down in ryknow tuning it sounds awsome except for the B. i think its a .130, but ill try a .135 and see if its any better.



the slap solo that is for downloaded is not ryknow. it is actually les claypool, i have a live video where he plays it. it stupid, i know, but its true.

[oldirtymoney]

I was just goin say that, yeah is the les clay not the ryknow dude

[Josh Ryan]

Weird. If Peter McFerrin looks like Kevin Spacey and Kevin Spacey is gay by ommision, then clearly Mr. Ryknow needs Turock as his personal trainer.