S/D Basstits part 42: Mostly harmless

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

hahahahahaha I'm calling it, T minus 4 weeks till your flipping the blue sky for a space.

Im also thinking. Could I make a tube plate verb thing...so much awesome if I could

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

I dont like verb that much. Im also very impressed with bluesky

If your not into crazy expansive shoegazey verbs, and wild shimmber verbs then stick with the bluesky. The Space is a knob tweakers delight that definitely takes alot to get it to sit in your tone correctly, but once you do its insane the tones you can achieve.

Originally Posted by Corey Y

Did you end up trading for that or buying one outright? I've been considering a huge crazy delay contraption lately. My Tech 21 Boost DLA works great for just a straight ahead analog delay with a little modulation, but I have so many dirt pedals (and they're still coming) I'm starting to think about upping the ante on my psychedelic freakout boxes. I was just watching a head to head with the Timeline and the Pigtronix Echolution the other day.

The timeline is absolutely amazing IMO, you can achieve just about any delay your looking for and even though its in depth its no where as complicated as the Space reverb. Since I've had mine i've made at least 20 different sounding presets, some with the same settings just different delay types, and some that are just out there and crazy. Another plus is it basically has built in trem and bit crushing settings, you adjust the delay time to basically zero (1-2ms is as low as you can go) and its just like having a trem or bit crusher. Definitely the most versatile delay out there, and the built in looper is tits. The only downside is to maximize the live effectiveness of the pedal you need to get an external controller with more footswitches, which runs about 150$.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

Im also thinking. Could I make a tube plate verb thing...so much awesome if I could

I saw someone selling those the other day, brand new for like 120 bux. Had a 9in verb tank and a single 12ax7 run at 12v with a clear plexi glass bottom on the enclosure. Seemed interesting but no audio clips to be found. No demo = no sale for me (unless its custom built for me)

[dunwichamps]

spring verb or plate verb? as far as I know a true studio plate verb is a giant ****in thing, like 6 feet long piece of steel with a large frame to hold it with contact mics. ect

[dunwichamps]

Bluesky has a very nice sounding plate verb with you can add modulation or shimmer to. Not into shimmer, much to synthy. It also has a room verb and a spring verb. Spring verb is 2 splooshy for hard transients. Room is nice for a different touch. Nicest thing is the hi and lo dampening along with the pre-delay

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

spring verb or plate verb? as far as I know a true studio plate verb is a giant ****in thing, like 6 feet long piece of steel with a large frame to hold it with contact mics. ect

I guess it would be spring verb then derp.

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

Bluesky has a very nice sounding plate verb with you can add modulation or shimmer to. Not into shimmer, much to synthy. It also has a room verb and a spring verb. Spring verb is 2 splooshy for hard transients. Room is nice for a different touch. Nicest thing is the hi and lo dampening along with the pre-delay

Plate and Room are usually my two go to verb's for guitar, shimmer can be nice if used correctly, it works great with droning notes or swell delay where theres very little attack on the notes. Gives it this awesome synthy / organy atmospheric vibe, just gotta keep the mix down low too much and it sounds weird in a not so good way. Spring verb to me only sounds good with surf / rockabilly guitar music. Pre-delay and dampening are vital elements to truly dialing in verb, Pre-delay is really helpful for making the verb sound huge without taking over the source audio and the dampening helps dial in the timbre of the atmosphere or space your trying to create. That's why I can't get along with verbs like the ghost echo and the RRR no matter how much i tried, and why I LOVE the space.

[dunwichamps]

I can make tube spring but like i said, sploooossssh

A useable tube plate verb you could say gig with it, almost sounds unfeasible as the plate size could only be maybe 1 ft by 6 inches or something of that nature with resulting electronics might only make it possibly with a discrete design and sans tubes

[mc_muench]

Killer tracks Laz.

And that Strat and Stingray clip sounded awesome too Corey

[Ron Now]

I've got a Mr. Black Supermoon reverb coming to me today (as well as as SS/BS year 4545 and a Freeze) I like my delays and reverbs to warble and shift, but in that slow organic tape echo way. I also like my delays dark and analog, I can never get a long with digital delays with how I use them. The new Moog 104M is the best delay out there, for my tastes and how I use delay.

[dunwichamps]

**** that moog is money. Bucket Brigade delays are kool, one spectrum of the analog delay world outside of echoplex and echorecs.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

I can make tube spring but like i said, sploooossssh

A useable tube plate verb you could say gig with it, almost sounds unfeasible as the plate size could only be maybe 1 ft by 6 inches or something of that nature with resulting electronics might only make it possibly with a discrete design and sans tubes

Yeah that sounds huge. Hmmmm could you build me a clone of a Matamp Tube Reverb unit?

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

I've got a Mr. Black Supermoon reverb coming to me today (as well as as SS/BS year 4545 and a Freeze) I like my delays and reverbs to warble and shift, but in that slow organic tape echo way. I also like my delays dark and analog, I can never get a long with digital delays with how I use them. The new Moog 104M is the best delay out there, for my tastes and how I use delay.

What's weird is I'm the opposite, since my tone is all ready so dark if i throw an analog delay on there it gets lost really easily. The other thing is i like having numerous different delays to use, and having one delay with 200 different presets is more appealing to me then 3 or 4 different delays on my board to achieve similar tones. But I gotta agree the 104M is an amazing sounding piece of gear, probably the only analog delay I would get, if i had real estate on my pedalboard...

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Yeah that sounds huge. Hmmmm could you build me a clone of a Matamp Tube Reverb unit?

lol people ask for that every now and then. It was a pretty nice verb unit and didnt come off as 2 splooshy. Best thing about tube verb is the massive headroom you have with a 350V supply and tubes. Also the nice overdrive of the dry path is very kool.

I might build a tube verb unit to have one around for that true verb tone but I want to do a more unique circuit based around the Series 2000 tube verb unit that Matamp made originally.
it used an EF86, and 2 12au7s much different then either the 50s or 60s Fender verb circuits



Only annoying thing is that you cant easily get pre-delay on this kind of verb. I would have to integrate some kind of SS digital thing to delay the wet signal

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

So, here's a new song we just finished. Recording is kinda boomy/muddy but you get the idea. The ending is epic as fvck.

http://soundcloud.com/lazarus-bird/ladder

Sounds cool, I dig the driving feel of it.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

lol people ask for that every now and then. It was a pretty nice verb unit and didnt come off as 2 splooshy. Best thing about tube verb is the massive headroom you have with a 350V supply and tubes. Also the nice overdrive of the dry path is very kool.

I might build a tube verb unit to have one around for that true verb tone but I want to do a more unique circuit based around the Series 2000 tube verb unit that Matamp made originally.
it used an EF86, and 2 12au7s much different then either the 50s or 60s Fender verb circuits



Only annoying thing is that you cant easily get pre-delay on this kind of verb. I would have to integrate some kind of SS digital thing to delay the wet signal

hahaha I mainly asked because i remember you saying that it was the most pain in the @$$ build you've had and you most likely never build one again unless someone offered you an outrageous amount of cash.

If i ever built a vintage style rig I'd definitely like to have one or something similar along with a RE-201 and a vintage OR-120. Warmth for dazzzzzze.

[dunwichamps]

yes it was a mega pain but only because of the way its layed out. If I had control over the looks it would have been cake.

If I was going to build a verb unit I would go all out with a full tone control on the wet verb signal, dry and wet volumes. Dwell control (input volume to verb), and Mode control on EF86. It would be a serious unit

This is the verb unit I built a while back. My 2nd customer build after the Sunn 200s bass amp

[Ron Now]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

What's weird is I'm the opposite, since my tone is all ready so dark if i throw an analog delay on there it gets lost really easily. The other thing is i like having numerous different delays to use, and having one delay with 200 different presets is more appealing to me then 3 or 4 different delays on my board to achieve similar tones. But I gotta agree the 104M is an amazing sounding piece of gear, probably the only analog delay I would get, if i had real estate on my pedalboard...

With how low we tune in bongripper, if I used a delay that had brighter/clearer repeats, things would just get so jumbled sounding. Instead the dark repeats give me this shifting wall of sound that doesn't overtake the mix but adds a lot of depth to the basslines when I use it.

[Ancient Tone]

That would be a pretty tasty reverb unit, but in this day and age the practicality for gigging would be small. It would best be served for home players and studios.

In other news, just my confirmation from Couch Straps that my order just shipped. Going to be my first experience with them, kept it simple and got the none so black for the new tele and the Brown Deadstock for my telemaster.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

With how low we tune in bongripper, if I used a delay that had brighter/clearer repeats, things would just get so jumbled sounding. Instead the dark repeats give me this shifting wall of sound that doesn't overtake the mix but adds a lot of depth to the basslines when I use it.

Interesting, I can definitely see how that would work with your guys music. With a really clear and audible delay it could easily cause some unwanted dissonance that I've noticed happens with low tuned notes fuzzed out played slowly. While with a darker delay it doesnt take over the tone it just adds depth and sustain.

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

The timeline is absolutely amazing IMO, you can achieve just about any delay your looking for and even though its in depth its no where as complicated as the Space reverb. Since I've had mine i've made at least 20 different sounding presets, some with the same settings just different delay types, and some that are just out there and crazy. Another plus is it basically has built in trem and bit crushing settings, you adjust the delay time to basically zero (1-2ms is as low as you can go) and its just like having a trem or bit crusher. Definitely the most versatile delay out there, and the built in looper is tits. The only downside is to maximize the live effectiveness of the pedal you need to get an external controller with more footswitches, which runs about 150$.

The Timeline sounds killer everywhere I've heard it. The only thing that's kept me from seriously considering buying it is just the thing that most people want it for, the whole "knob tweaker's delight" thing. I tinker for a long time and then set it and forget it with most of my pedals. I do change between bands and occasionally if there's one or two songs that are really different. I typically memorize my favorite settings and just pull them up really quick when I change between bands/instruments/songs/whatever, so the whole upscaling for presets thing kinds of wards me off. No doubt that the Timeline sounds amazing though, if I owned one I'd probably end having to write a song that uses reverse delay or something crazy, just because it has so many weird sounds on tap.

Originally Posted by mc_muench

And that Strat and Stingray clip sounded awesome too Corey

Thanks, I don't think it's something I would keep on my bass pedalboard, but it's a good pedal. Sounds killer on guitar, something in between a tube amp like overdrive and fuzz, but it doesn't get real fizzy. The 3 band EQ is really useful too. I'm getting very into Pigtronix pedals right now, they have some cool and unique flavors. They don't seem to have the marketing mojo the stoner/doom crowd gravitates towards, but I could see a lot of these types of bands liking the tones they have. The Philosopher's Tone is a killer compressor too, though I haven't tried it on bass at all yet. I've never really used compression for bass live, but it's great for big I have a Polysaturator on the way and I was thinking about checking out some of their other pedals in the near future too. Mostly for guitar, but I'll probably check them all out on bass too.