S/D Basstits part 42: Mostly harmless

[Road Bull]

Celebrating the new monitor stack. Woot!

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

I understand why not everyone likes the fEARful stuff, but the points he's made regarding how little r&d actually goes in to most cabs is pretty valid. It's on par with Gibson's approach to bridges. Which is "Some of you might be complaining, but people buy it, so why spend the time and money improving it?".

Hey! I love my poorly designed Gibson bridges! Kinda.

Originally Posted by Josh Pelican

****. That turned around fast.
Opp
I'm so glad I didn't end up jumping on board.

Lol. Yes it did.

If only fEARful/greenboy made a 412... a week's gone by and no reply to my questions, either ashdown doesn't check emails or they just don't help people. Either way it's got me looking at http://www.oldecrowcabinets.com/

[ampegfuzz]

Sam, how goes it with that tone hammer?

[subbasshz]

tube bass preamps? that can sound great for doom? that can send out a proper signal for a (gasp) cerwin vega SS amp?

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

Yep, I like the description and the clips I've heard of the 3015's the most. Pretty much going to be the same as this one, on BNA's website:

If it was economical, all my cabs would have them.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by DethByDoom

Hey! I love my poorly designed Gibson bridges! Kinda.



Lol. Yes it did.

If only fEARful/greenboy made a 412... a week's gone by and no reply to my questions, either ashdown doesn't check emails or they just don't help people. Either way it's got me looking at http://www.oldecrowcabinets.com/

If weight/money was no issue, I would get a hex cab. They look so damn cool.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

V4s sound nice but boy do they have gremlins. I have long considered making a Dunwich clone model but I doubt people would want to pay 1500+ dollars for a used amp that can be bought for 300.

Dunno, if you could evict the gremlins in your clone, some people might like it.

[Lazarus.Bird]

The part that appeals to me most about Greenboy's stuff is no corners are cut. It's also designed by musicians built by musicians and used by musicians. Kinda funny more people don't have Duallys. To me they're the ultimate rock cab.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by DethByDoom

If only fEARful/greenboy made a 412... a week's gone by and no reply to my questions, either ashdown doesn't check emails or they just don't help people. Either way it's got me looking at http://www.oldecrowcabinets.com/

There is talk about, and I fully expect to see a dually 212 to be released this year. I would expect a 4 and 8 ohm option. A pair stacked vertically would be pretty sick.

As far as a fEARful 412 goes, you could run two 1212/6's. The whole point to the of drivers is the 3012lf and 3015lf are tonally equal. You wouldn't hear a tonal difference between the dual 1212/6's and a 1515/66. The goal of the line is that the cabs are equal in tone, you just pick the size that meets your volume needs.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

The part that appeals to me most about Greenboy's stuff is no corners are cut. It's also designed by musicians built by musicians and used by musicians. Kinda funny more people don't have Duallys. To me they're the ultimate rock cab.

I know what your saying, I just like to have a **** ton of cabs behind me. It would be like if some crazy technology allowed for a single 10" speaker to be stupid loud. Would you be cool with having something like that? I need 4-15s at minimum. Thats a lot of scratch for greenboy stuff. I know, I won't need that many... I just like having a pyramid of speakers I guess.

Does Jucifer NEED that many cabs?

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Can anyone tell me what the general maximum length is you should have on one side of a record? I am trying to figure out how many of our tracks we should record, or at least how many we can record that will fit onto one vinyl.

http://www.chicagomasteringservice.com/vinyl.html

That website says the max they will do is 22 minutes, but I'm pretty sure I own some records that go past this by a decent amount? Maybe not.

I have Yob's Catharsis on vinyl. The title song is one side of the record, so 23:40 on that.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by JoeVictim

I know what your saying, I just like to have a **** ton of cabs behind me. It would be like if some crazy technology allowed for a single 10" speaker to be stupid loud. Would you be cool with having something like that? I need 4-15s at minimum. Thats a lot of scratch for greenboy stuff. I know, I won't need that many... I just like having a pyramid of speakers I guess.

Does Jucifer NEED that many cabs?

If I were going to get a Dually, I'd just keep adding more as I acquired the funding for it.

Maybe stop after having like four of them. That would form a pretty good wall, I think.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

The part that appeals to me most about Greenboy's stuff is no corners are cut. It's also designed by musicians built by musicians and used by musicians. Kinda funny more people don't have Duallys. To me they're the ultimate rock cab.

I can respect that. Can't argue with science. But. I've always felt 10s have a "faster" response that fits how I play better. But 12s seem to spit the difference between snappy mids and deep bass. I can't get away from a big box of speakers. It's as much about feel and aesthetic as function for me.

[mbelue]

I have had my fearful 12/6 for a coupe of months now. Its a fantastic speaker, great performance for its size. So far I have two problems with it.
1. One 12/6 can't achieve metal volume in a gigging environment, close but you need two, or maybe a 15/6.
2. I've been trying to find my tone again ever since selling off my old amp. It is more work to get a traditional cab sound out of a fearful.
The first is an easy problem to fix I'll build 12/6number two very soon so that's #1.
#2 will probably be some serious work, common bass equipment leans heavily on the tone of a cabinet. This cab sim fuzz I keep hearing about might be the way to go.
Hearing how well these new drivers work a dually should be murderous with enough wattage. Plus it outta sound like most would expect. Probably perfect for nearly everyone that isn't looking for hifi.

[CL400Peavey]

Yea a fEARful will show you everything your amp can and can't do. You better love the sound of your amp. For me I get a few things that can't really be had with commercial cabs. True content at ~40hz and true content from 2-6khz.

And a side note as to some drivers being "faster" or slower, they all more at the same speed. Actually the frequency has very little to do with the speed of sound. Factors like humidity are much more important. The reason why smaller speakers are described as "fast" is due to slightly better off axis response, you hear the mids a bit better on stage.

Herein is one of the beauties of the fEARfuls, all their mids from ~800hz and up come from the same size mid driver. Off axis response is similar between models.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Yea a fEARful will show you everything your amp can and can't do. You better love the sound of your amp. For me I get a few things that can't really be had with commercial cabs. True content at ~40hz and true content from 2-6khz.

And a side note as to some drivers being "faster" or slower, they all more at the same speed. Actually the frequency has very little to do with the speed of sound. Factors like humidity are much more important. The reason why smaller speakers are described as "fast" is due to slightly better off axis response, you hear the mids a bit better on stage.

Herein is one of the beauties of the fEARfuls, all their mids from ~800hz and up come from the same size mid driver. Off axis response is similar between models.

Fine. "faster".

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

Sam, how goes it with that tone hammer?

I haven't played with it too much and haven't had an opportunity to try it through the big rig yet. not a huge fan of the heavy od sound, but i like its milder settings. i really like the EQ though, very musical.

I bought it because i read that the AGS circuit incorporates a speaker sim and thought it would be a good tool as a backup or for shows where micing isnt possible, but honestly i am not hearing any sim at all. i need to play around with it more. i am getting my JDI back today. i got the speaker sim modded to better suit bass and increased the pad so it has more headroom when i am connecting it at speaker level. i'll try and record some clips comparing the stock JDI, modded JDI and TH.



Did you ever get the P-46 pup installed?

[ampegfuzz]

No I ended up just getting a cheap pickup to get it going. Im going to pit that pup against the clips i already recorded. It's supposedly a US fender pup. I tried to read some stuff last night to see what people thought about the hammer vs. the BDDI and seems most people dig it better for its versatility over the BDDI. Ill have to do some serious knob turning. Trying to get a close approximation of the typical BDDI grind/OD setting.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by DethByDoom

Fine. "faster".

Sorry man didnt mean to get on a soapbox. I used to T/A a "light and sound" physics class. I just think learning about this stuff is fun.

[swspiers]

For those of you who never venture out of this thread, here's a nother great reason why:

All Genz Benz products on "standby" by Fender ??

I love TB, and respect the mods. But things sure get silly...