S/D Basstits part 42: Mostly harmless

[swspiers]

Originally Posted by Sartori

Pol Pot wasn't working with as large a starting population. 2.5-3 million dead out of a starting population of about 7 million is pretty horrifying, IMO.

Though yes, when you include the death toll from WWII, nothing since then comes close.

Actually, we shouldn't underestimate the European Americans and their virtual elimination of the indigenous people of North America. No one brings the DOOM like white folk.

And I quote:

"according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."

-George Mason University News Network
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

[Ron Now]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Cool I want a GBR one, how many are left, aka do I rush to buy it now or can I wait?

Honestly I'm not sure, we have practice tonight so I can ask our guitarist who takes care of the mail order. They've been selling steadily, I can shoot you a PM later as to time frame before they might sell out.

[mbelue]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Well, fvck me.

We were a couple of days away from announcing our mini tour with Borracho and Lo-Pan, and Lo-Pan had to back out because they got offered another national tour. Happy for those dudes but man am I upset. Started planning this thing months ago and now that all the details were almost finished, this happens.

Borracho and I are gonna try to salvage it. Probably play at least Pittsburgh and DC with us, Borracho and Been Obscene from Austria which would be cool as hell. Might try to add on Dayton or Philly or something. The whole 3 band 3 day tour doesn't work as well when one of the bands is from Europe and can't locally host one of the shows.

Yeah, that sucks. You guys gonna lose face at your local venue 'cause of this? To me that's number one, loosing reputation.
Good luck

[Sepulmember]

Wow, that acoustic stakc is awesome. Rich Mullins of Karma To Burn plays an Acoustic head btw, along with an Ampeg 810.

Talking about the bluebeard, here is mine. Along with my Marshall 412. The amp is a Crate BT-350.

[dunwichamps]

u do have an S+S Bluebeard to go with that i hope

[Sepulmember]

No, actually I don't have one. I contacted Sonny in May but after telling me he would get in touch in summer, I never heard of him again. Of course I mailed him again but I never received any more mails.

I still don't have a fuzz. That sucks.

[dunwichamps]

you must remedy that situation! Sonny can be harder to get a hold of when he is knee deep in pedal builds

[ampegfuzz]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

DAMMIT! WE'RE OUT OF PEANUT BUTTER!!
(sucks having a kid sometime...lil pb&j bandit!)

There will be no jelly when I get home I bet.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Originally Posted by mbelue

Yeah, that sucks. You guys gonna lose face at your local venue 'cause of this? To me that's number one, loosing reputation.
Good luck

Well I am hoping that we can just do the Pittsburgh show with Been Obscene in place of Lo-Pan. Should work out just fine I think.

[eyeballkid]

Originally Posted by Sepulmember

No, actually I don't have one. I contacted Sonny in May but after telling me he would get in touch in summer, I never heard of him again. Of course I mailed him again but I never received any more mails.

I still don't have a fuzz. That sucks.

pretty sure though that you're on his list then in order and you will one day get a note from him saying your number is about ready if you want it...

[swspiers]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Well, fvck me.

We were a couple of days away from announcing our mini tour with Borracho and Lo-Pan, and Lo-Pan had to back out because they got offered another national tour. Happy for those dudes but man am I upset. Started planning this thing months ago and now that all the details were almost finished, this happens.

Borracho and I are gonna try to salvage it. Probably play at least Pittsburgh and DC with us, Borracho and Been Obscene from Austria which would be cool as hell. Might try to add on Dayton or Philly or something. The whole 3 band 3 day tour doesn't work as well when one of the bands is from Europe and can't locally host one of the shows.

Dude. Sorry to read that

[Sepulmember]

Yes, I should do so. I will mail him again, maybe he'll go faster if he sees my beard.

Got to re-dye it btw, it turned green and my beard hair is coming out in its natural colour again.

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

pretty sure though that you're on his list then in order and you will one day get a note from him saying your number is about ready if you want it...

That's nice to hear. I will keep waiting then, I assume. I still need to save money for the Orange Terror Bass which I am planning to afford.

[LOCOPELAND]

Yeah, those are 150's.

[change-jug]

Originally Posted by The_Janitor

So I picked up up Doomriders Darkness Come to Light at the thrift store the other day for 2 bucks. I was only vaguely familiar with the name. Holy balls, what a great album. Guess it's a couple of guys from Coverge. Sounds like post-hardcore/noise band playing classic metal. Good ****.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL5BrOC55TQ

***? What kind of awesome thrift store do you have in your area? I`d jizz my pants if I ever saw anything remotely as good as Doomriders in my local Salvation Army.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by swspiers

Actually, we shouldn't underestimate the European Americans and their virtual elimination of the indigenous people of North America. No one brings the DOOM like white folk.

And I quote:

"according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."

-George Mason University News Network
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

Not to defend the spanish and other european settlers, but the vast majority of those deaths were due to disease. The very first settlers brought the disease to the Americas about 100-200 years before the Spanish started rampaging. By the time they got here most of the population had already been decimated by disease.

Just got done reading 1491 by Charles Mann, a thoroughly fascinating book if anyone is interested in early American history.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Well, fvck me.

We were a couple of days away from announcing our mini tour with Borracho and Lo-Pan, and Lo-Pan had to back out because they got offered another national tour. Happy for those dudes but man am I upset. Started planning this thing months ago and now that all the details were almost finished, this happens.

Borracho and I are gonna try to salvage it. Probably play at least Pittsburgh and DC with us, Borracho and Been Obscene from Austria which would be cool as hell. Might try to add on Dayton or Philly or something. The whole 3 band 3 day tour doesn't work as well when one of the bands is from Europe and can't locally host one of the shows.

That sucks man. I decided to look up Lo Pan because I haven't listened to them for a while and I found this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xiAbDkXDgg

I'm sorry for you loss but I am better for having seen this.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by change-jug

***? What kind of awesome thrift store do you have in your area? I`d jizz my pants if I ever saw anything remotely as good as Doomriders in my local Salvation Army.

Haha, it was a promo copy from the local university radio station. But still, I have surprisingly good luck around the thrift stores here. Madison has had an audience for stoner/doom/noise rock since the late 80s, so interesting stuff pops up at the used places and thrift stores. A few months ago I found the Man's Ruin pressing of Cavity - Supercollider. Which made my week because I ruined my original copy and the Hydra Head Reissue sucks balls.

[swspiers]

Originally Posted by The_Janitor

Not to defend the spanish and other european settlers, but the vast majority of those deaths were due to disease. The very first settlers brought the disease to the Americas about 100-200 years before the Spanish started rampaging. By the time they got here most of the population had already been decimated by disease.

Just got done reading 1491 by Charles Mann, a thoroughly fascinating book if anyone is interested in early American history.

True, but there is evidence of smallpox being deliberately inflicted on some tribes. Also, one of the criteria for 'genocide' is intent, and there is plenty of evidence of the intent of many settlers to exterminate the tribes.

Complicated issue, and very hard to state with certainty everything that happened...

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by swspiers

True, but there is evidence of smallpox being deliberately inflicted on some tribes. Also, one of the criteria for 'genocide' is intent, and there is plenty of evidence of the intent of many settlers to exterminate the tribes.

Complicated issue, and very hard to state with certainty everything that happened...

That's true, it was a combination of many different factors and written history from this side of the globe is nearly non-existent. The Spanish burned pretty much all written documents that they came across, entire libraries of documents and history gone.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by swspiers

Actually, we shouldn't underestimate the European Americans and their virtual elimination of the indigenous people of North America. No one brings the DOOM like white folk.

And I quote:

"according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history."

-George Mason University News Network
Were American Indians the Victims of Genocide?

http://hnn.us/articles/7302.html

Yes. +1. European settlers suck. And yes, our American Government is responsible for the mass murder of entire nations of people.

Now, won't you accept this blanket to keep you warm? I want to be friends...

I am usually on defense when it comes to talking politics with anyone around me. To premise, we had one of the biggest churches in our town (Ted Haggard). We are home to the Focus on the Family organization whose goal is to oppose anyone who is against christian fundamental ideas. Kinda like Westboro Baptist Church lite. Only they don't protest the funerals... There are more churches than public schools, post offices, and police stations combined. So yeah... hell.