Saw Pino with The Who last night-my daughters first concert!

scottz0369 · #1 11-12-2006, 09:46 PM

I must disclose that I've been a Who fan since I bought Face Dances from the New Releases section at the record store, and I probably listened to "Live at Leeds" a thousand times during high school. I have to say, he did a great job. He played his Jaguar all night. He had 2 on stage with him, and good thing- it looked like he had a problem keeping the A string in tune for the first 2 songs, so he swapped one Jag for another. No sign of his Signature Fender.
Truth be told, he's not John, but who is? The solo on "My Generation" was perfect, and for the most part he was right on the basslines, but it wasn't quite the same as hearing the Ox constant embellishments on a song.
One interesting thing is that Simon Townshend (Pete's brother) seemed to be picking up some of what John carried (the opening bassline of Pinball Wizard that I thought was a guitar for years, for example).
Pete and Roger were great. It seems to me that this isn't a "we're broke and need cash tour", rather they seem to really enjoy playing live. I hope I have that energy when I"m they're age.
Bottom line---great show, great players, Pino did a fantastic job and I'd see them again. Pino is rapidly becoming my bass hero (along with the Ox, Geddy Lee and Stu Hamm), and I'm going to look at a Jaguar bass this week.......

Scott

PS-this was also my daughters' first concert--10 years old and Tommy is her favorite album-there's hope for the new generation!

MammaryVest · #2 11-12-2006, 10:10 PM

That's a really great story, it makes me feel good to hear about a father and daughter going to see a band like The Who. They are one of my favourite bands, and though no one can replace the Ox, Pino was the perfect person to step in. By the way, what opening bass to pinball wizard that you always thought was a guitar?

scottz0369 · #3 11-12-2006, 10:14 PM

The opening high B on the G string (16th fret). I swore it was a guitar til I saw him play it live. John kicked the treble up so high, it sounded like a guitar at that part of the scale.

Scott

MammaryVest · #4 11-13-2006, 06:46 AM

Ah yes, he was very deceitful, there's no one else like him.

VanillaO · #5 11-13-2006, 07:55 AM

I've had my tickets to the December 4th show here in Toronto for months now. And it rounds off a great 10 weeks of concerts that include Waters, Clapton, RHCP, Protest the Hero, Maiden, The Decemberists (omg heart), Foo Fighters acoustic set and Bob Dylan (who was meh), and GnR on Wednesday (got tickets for free, not complaining).

I love my ability to work for enough money to afford to go to concerts and not even buy new clothes.

these_go211 · #6 11-13-2006, 10:09 AM

i saw the who last wed in san jose. yea, he played the jag thru the whole set. and though the hp pavilion is notorious for horrible sound i could hear the bass pretty well, thankfully. what a gig to get. there's been a few thread recently about pino. he's a bad bad man. not many could have stepped into that role in such rapid fashion and pulled it off.

Ian Perge · #7 11-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by scottz0369

This was also my daughters' first concert--10 years old and Tommy is her favorite album-there's hope for the new generation!

My first concert was seeing The Who with my father on their reunion tour in 1989 that emphasized "Tommy" - I was about 12 years old at the time, and it became my favorite Who album to this day. It's interesting how musicians can pass along traditions just like other facets of family. A lucky offspring and a lucky Dad... in both cases.

Pruitt · #8 11-15-2006, 08:15 AM

Awesome. I'm going to see them on the 28th of this month. I can't wait! The last time I saw them was on one of their early 80's Farewell Tours. lol...

Dr. Feelgood · #9 11-17-2006, 07:06 AM

Very nice! Pino is a great player.

I don't know if anyone agrees, but the drummer who has replaced Keith Moon (Zak Starkey is his name) is, in my opinion, a fantastic overplayer! He's got some good chops, but he doesn't use them tastefully.

derrico1 · #10 11-17-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Feelgood

I don't know if anyone agrees, but the drummer who has replaced Keith Moon (Zak Starkey is his name) is, in my opinion, a fantastic overplayer! He's got some good chops, but he doesn't use them tastefully.

Funny, because his dad wasn't often over-busy with those Beatles fellas that he played with--must be the influence of having Keith Moon hanging about the Starkey house when Zak was a kid.

I don't really mind Starkey's style, given that the gig screams for someone not afraid to fill a lot of space w/ the kit. Heck, Moon himself even joked about having to live up to his own stylistic excesses. (I think it was in the Who Are You sessions that Keith deflected a suggestion about how he might play a section differently, quipping that he didn't need the advice, as he was "arguably, one of the finest Keith-Moon-style drummers in the U.K.")

At the least, Ox + Moon > Ox + Starkey > Ox + Kenny Jones. YMMV, but only in a world in which 2+2 = 5 for large enough values of 2.

Dr. Feelgood · #11 11-17-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by derrico1

Funny, because his dad wasn't often over-busy with those Beatles fellas that he played with--must be the influence of having Keith Moon hanging about the Starkey house when Zak was a kid.

It's funny how things turn out, huh?

these_go211 · #12 11-17-2006, 09:50 AM

interesting observation. i haven't gotten the impression of any overplaying by starkey and i have seen him twice with the band.

Dr. Feelgood · #13 11-17-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by these_go211

interesting observation. i haven't gotten the impression of any overplaying by starkey and i have seen him twice with the band.

Well, I suppose it's a matter of taste.
What I'm trying to say is that when I've seen him play, I'm always thinking "that should have been played differently" or "that groove doesn't fit" or "those fills are outrageously long".

Indeed, during one song, I think it was "won't get fooled again" he just did some sort of tom groove in the verse, but it was more like fill after fill after fill. It just made me sigh, it really didn't fit.

But that's my opinion, if you like his playing, that's cool. I actually think he's a good drummer, he just overplays.

dougjwray · #14 11-17-2006, 12:07 PM

What's interesting to me is how hard it is to define "overplaying." It's a perjorative term, yet "overplaying" can be essential at times. I've seen clips of Zak playing with the Who, and my impression as been that he is a vast improvement over Kenney Jones, who absolutely did not "overplay." Zak is closer to Moon, and that makes him fit the Who's music much better than Jones.

There was an interview with Mitch Mitchell years ago in which Mitchell expressed some regret for "overplaying" with the Experience. How amazing-- his "overplaying" on those albums was crucial, even historically influential! Not "overplaying"-- "correct playing!"

Dr. Feelgood · #15 11-17-2006, 12:36 PM

True, defining the word overplay is damn near impossible, but I tried my best to explain it. Like I said, it's a matter of taste.

And I agree that Starkey is much closer to Moon, but he's still not quite there yet!

dougjwray · #16 11-17-2006, 01:02 PM

Indeed-- Moon was one of a kind!

Dr. Feelgood · #17 11-17-2006, 01:48 PM

merc50 · #18 11-19-2006, 08:06 AM

What colors are his Jags...one of each since he has two?

JohnnyMan · #19 11-24-2006, 12:53 PM

I saw The Who in Atlanta Nov 22, 2006.

As what was said above, Pino is no John Entwistle and I felt Pino laid back and did not attempt to replicate Entwistle's style or tone.

It was still a great show and I love The Who!

darthplagis · #20 12-02-2006, 04:48 PM

it would take a brave man to step into the OX's boots and think he could pull it off right with all the fanatics out there (myself included) ok there are players who 'could' do the job but who is gonna step up and say im as good as john and i can take his place.

i think pino is doing a good job (though all the TV slots ive seen i cant hear the bass as much as i should but thats layman TV sound guys who dont know the music) esp with the jag, i recon john would of had one but with a P neck had he still been here (its funny when live 8 was on TB live i had just got my jag a few month before and was playing along unplugged and tada pino had one too hehe i was chuffed).

i also think its a mark of respect from pino that he doesnt go over the top and just plays whats needed like kenny jones did when he sat in.