Steve “Thundercat” Bruner..."hip hop is the new jazz"

[palm grease]

Erykah Badu's latest- “New Amerykah” has a tune (amoungst others) that would put the "hiphop aint music" talkers to rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

listen to the track "The Cell"...... "Thundercat" is a 24yr old, formally trained player that doubles in Suicidal Tendencies. He made a comment in the current issue of BP... "hiphop is the new jazz".... it raised the hairs on my back too!.... picked up the album....WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a huge player!!!!!!!!!

to the "hiphop aint music" dudes, I challange you to debate the lack of musicianship that this track/album brings to the table!

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by palm grease

Erykah Badu's latest- “New Amerykah” has a tune (amoungst others) that would put the "hiphop aint music" talkers to rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

listen to the track "The Cell"...... "Thundercat" is a 24yr old, formally trained player that doubles in Suicidal Tendencies. He made a comment in the current issue of BP... "hiphop is the new jazz".... it raised the hairs on my back too!.... picked up the album....WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a huge player!!!!!!!!!

to the "hiphop aint music" dudes, I challange you to debate the lack of musicianship that this track/album brings to the table!

The bottom line is that hip hop has evolved over the years. For a long time, hip hop was samples, beats, and rapping. Now more instruments being used. Erykah Badu is also a singer, and much closer to r&b than a rapper.

[funkometer]

If its good who cares what its called.

[palm grease]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

The bottom line is that hip hop has evolved over the years.

as has everything else! as the "youngest" genre... it's evolved, however, expanded may be a better word...IMO

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

For a long time, hip hop was samples, beats, and rapping. Now more instruments being used..

True...kinda... The Roots have been at it for well over a decade, Tribe, Digable Planets, Guru, many many more have flown under the radar due to the "hiphop aint music" misconception... people think of hiphop as you've described above.... really no different the your avg non-musician stating that Fall Out Boy is the best in their game.... boils down to exposure..... with all due respect Dr.

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

Erykah Badu is also a singer, and much closer to r&b than a rapper.

.... agreed, I quoted him... I didn't say it myself. but then again, "rapper" wasn't mentioned... hiphop was. to pick it apart a bit more, I'd say "rapping" can be defined easily... not so much with hiphop or R&B. those are very lose terms/genres.

thoughts?

[lomo]

Originally Posted by funkometer

If its good who cares what its called.

+1

[Qvist]

Erykah Badu is an amazing vocalist, I really like her music! Saw them on Chappelle's show in 2004 before they even were that famous (guess the show appearance kinda' helped!). Brilliant!!

[palm grease]

Originally Posted by Qvist

Erykah Badu is an amazing vocalist, I really like her music! Saw them on Chappelle's show in 2004 before they even were that famous (guess the show appearance kinda' helped!). Brilliant!!

She's been pretty popular since the mid 90's here in the states. Maybe it took a bit to get over there!?

That album I mentioned is the first of 4!!! So three more are due!

[Dr. Cheese]

Originally Posted by palm grease

as has everything else! as the "youngest" genre... it's evolved, however, expanded may be a better word...IMO



True...kinda... The Roots have been at it for well over a decade, Tribe, Digable Planets, Guru, many many more have flown under the radar due to the "hiphop aint music" misconception... people think of hiphop as you've described above.... really no different the your avg non-musician stating that Fall Out Boy is the best in their game.... boils down to exposure..... with all due respect Dr.



.... agreed, I quoted him... I didn't say it myself. but then again, "rapper" wasn't mentioned... hiphop was. to pick it apart a bit more, I'd say "rapping" can be defined easily... not so much with hiphop or R&B. those are very lose terms/genres.

thoughts?

I am old enough to have been in college when "Rapper's Delight" came out, and I remember hearing about Curtis Blow being booed off the stage in Macon, Georgia because he "only" had a DJ and not a band backing him during a concert when he was touring with self-contained funk bands in 1982. In other words, I have seen hip hop evolve from using all live instruments at Sugar Hill to being 95% beats and samples during the late 1980s and well into the 1990s.

I'm not a hip hop fan, but I am the same age as Curtis Blow and Chuck D, and I have bought my fair share of hip hop and rap, in the past including the Roots. You come off like you have a chip on your shoulder about hip hop. It is what is and should be accepted on its own terms. There is no competition among music styles for complexity or sophistication. Some of the best music in the world is great just because it is simple.

As for me saying that Badu is closer to r&b becaus she is a singer, that was me stating my own opinion, i was not trying to quote you or Bruner.

[Dr. Cheese]

Palm Grease, I also think that a good bit of what you are calling hip hop is also called NeoSoul. I am a huge fan of "second wave" r&b artists, and have bought many of their cds over the years.

[bassrique]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

I am old enough to have been in college when "Rapper's Delight" came out, and I remember hearing about Curtis Blow being booed off the stage in Macon, Georgia because he "only" had a DJ and not a band backing him during a concert when he was touring with self-contained funk bands in 1982. In other words, I have seen hip hop evolve from using all live instruments at Sugar Hill to being 95% beats and samples during the late 1980s and well into the 1990s.

I'm not a hip hop fan, but I am the same age as Curtis Blow and Chuck D, and I have bought my fair share of hip hop and rap, in the past including the Roots. You come off like you have a chip on your shoulder about hip hop. It is what is and should be accepted on its own terms. There is no competition among music styles for complexity or sophistication. Some of the best music in the world is great just because it is simple.

As for me saying that Badu is closer to r&b becaus she is a singer, that was me stating my own opinion, i was not trying to quote you or Bruner.

+1

[palm grease]

Hey Dr.
No chip at all man! My point really, is to introduce what's been often over looked. In the past few days I've stumbled on a few posts that elude to, or, flat out describe hiphop as not being worthy of a listen or consideration of quality musicianship. If one TBr takes a listen to the album or track listed and enjoys it, then I'm validated!

For the record, I agree, Badu is a singer and most if not all of her recordings would fall under a catagory loosely related to hiphop. The Neo-Soul label vs R&B vs "Street Funk" vs blah blah blah is really just the age old process of catagorizing a musical style. Or....splitting hairs IMO. While the Roots are most often mentioned in terms of "Live" hiphop, there really is so much more out there! BUT, ya wont find it if it doesn't spark you at all. I can't help there, all I can do is offer some suggested listening.

Again, I don't mean to sound chipped, just anxious for some convo on the topic...hahaha!

The term "Guitard" has been used by the minute here..... and at the same time there are talanted bass players here in our "home" that share some of the same ineptness that they blame others for......(I hope that came out right, at work, fragmented thoughts)..... my OP is directed at those who feel that hiphop based music isn't music... for those, I offered some suggested listening.

Between you and me, Erykah is a soul singer (neo, r&b, what have you)... but I hear her foundation, her music (not vox) as hiphop.


all this stuff is my honest opinion.

[Bochafish]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

Palm Grease, I also think that a good bit of what you are calling hip hop is also called NeoSoul. I am a huge fan of "second wave" r&b artists, and have bought many of their cds over the years.

+1

I love the playing on the DiAngelo stuff. (Which I consider neosoul) That guy can groove.

Thanks for the heads up on the Badu track, I'll check that out as soon as I get home.

[louelou]

No offense to Mr Bruner but, BRAYLON LACY IS THE MAN!!!!!!!