Stone/Doom Bassists Thread Part 39: Flip Flops & Zubaz!

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by MudraMan

Hey guys could anyone recommend a tube preamp for Doom metal? I'm a bit of a noob.

Lots of preamps will work. My alpha tube pre was $100. Of course, this is not one and done. Pedals get me the rest of the way.

Point being, you could spend anywhere from my budget to the higher end stuff. Do you want a blank canvas or framed art?

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

Attachment 306158

Kyle at blackout made this wonderful toy for me. It's just their VST modded Twosome (musket & fix'd fuzz circuit) but in a more pedalboard friendly box with this incredible paint job.

But yeah, musket super gnarly and versatile muff, and the fix'd is a vintage raspy kind of fuzz, sputtery Velcro like fuzz, and a boost plus a ton of other things. Then you can use both, stack them, and flip the order of how they work. Fuzz tones for days.

That is damn sexy.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

I feel like I'm in the minority but I can't get comfortable on a Jazz neck, I like a fat ol Pbass neck any day though. My 78' (maple, walnut,black PG) is my favorite sounding bass. It just kills in a mix and solo really.

I don't really like either. Not sure which my Peavey's neck is close to. My friend's jazz bass has a neck that's okaaay... but not great. It's the taper more than anything that weirds me out.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

I've always thought maple board with block inlays looks sick on a P. If I ever got one this would also be the route I would take.

Thing is I don't get along with jazz necks that great either haha. I've only somewhat liked the Geddy jazz neck and even that felt kinda weird to me.

Playing ricks for so long really has spoiled me. I love that their necks don't taper a whole lot. Other basses just feel so weird to me now.

This. Even the amount my Peavey's neck tapers somewhat annoys me now, after being used to my Rickenbacker and my 4001 copy.

[mc_muench]

Originally Posted by MudraMan

Hey guys could anyone recommend a tube preamp for Doom metal? I'm a bit of a noob.

Glad you found your way over!!!

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

http://www.verellenamplifiers.com/products.html

I'd listen to the man that could build you the coolest most DOOM tube pre ever, the verellen would a perfect tube pre. If your budget was $1000, the other $500 could get you a power amp and a decent cab/s.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

I feel like I'm in the minority but I can't get comfortable on a Jazz neck, I like a fat ol Pbass neck any day though. My 78' (maple, walnut,black PG) is my favorite sounding bass. It just kills in a mix and solo really.

I'm the same way, i have big hands and long "piano fingers" I stumble over myself on the lower notes of a jazz neck. I like wide flat fretboards and meaty necks. My P-bass has a maple fretboard mighty mite neck that is awesome and fits my hand great, one of the most comfortable necks i've played.

Kinda OT but I got a question for you, what kind of guitars are your guitarists running? I'm trying out different tunings for an upcoming project and the lowest I've gotten with any intonation stability is Drop G on my 27" Baritone Jaguar. I've run out of room for saddle adjustment on the low G so I'm stuck there. But I'd love to mess around in F like you guys do, and I'm afraid I'm gonna have to keep my eye out for my elusive white whale of a guitar, a Fender Bottom Master, its basically a 28.5" scale baritone jaguar, with black hardware and different electronics. It's supposed to be able to be setup anywhere from baritone to bass vi tuning so that would work, but their impossible to find (I'm having a hard enough time finding a backup Baritone Jag).

[Sartori]

Anyone know what the tone stack of the Verellen Meatsmoke is like?

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

planning on some nice personal builds coming up

dual compressors in a box, Optical and Ross/DynaComp, im going to call it something like "Its not a toomah"

dual dist in a box, Ross Distortion and Suhr Riot. No name yet

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

You need to name this pedal the "Yob in a box" and have a graphic of mike scheidts head on a spring coming out a box.

What? What is this? Why is it Yob in a box?

Please explain the electric magic to this mere mortal.

[Ron Now]

Bongripper uses standard scale guitars an 80's Greco Les Paul, and a 90's Dearmond 7 string SG copy. Both set up to low F using a D string from a bass set and then the top part of a 7-string set for the rest and just ditching the higher strings.

I have an 80' Gibson LP and a 67' SG but both are just in Eb standard although I've been thinking that I might throw the LP into something lower. I'm not much of a guitarist but I like to screw around and sometimes it's a good way to write riffs.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Sartori

What? What is this? Why is it Yob in a box?

Please explain the electric magic to this mere mortal.

Yob is a band. They have custom ox fuzz stuff… that's been my assumption when its mentioned in here.

[Sartori]

Oh, I know they're band.

I'm just curious about the particulars of a pedal apparently being their sound in a box.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

I'm the same way, i have big hands and long "piano fingers" I stumble over myself on the lower notes of a jazz neck. I like wide flat fretboards and meaty necks. My P-bass has a maple fretboard mighty mite neck that is awesome and fits my hand great, one of the most comfortable necks i've played.

Kinda OT but I got a question for you, what kind of guitars are your guitarists running? I'm trying out different tunings for an upcoming project and the lowest I've gotten with any intonation stability is Drop G on my 27" Baritone Jaguar. I've run out of room for saddle adjustment on the low G so I'm stuck there. But I'd love to mess around in F like you guys do, and I'm afraid I'm gonna have to keep my eye out for my elusive white whale of a guitar, a Fender Bottom Master, its basically a 28.5" scale baritone jaguar, with black hardware and different electronics. It's supposed to be able to be setup anywhere from baritone to bass vi tuning so that would work, but their impossible to find (I'm having a hard enough time finding a backup Baritone Jag).

The guitarist in my black metal band uses an old Les Paul, and an Ibanez 7 string thingy.

The guitarist in my doom band uses some Jackson dinky or soloist. I'm not too good at telling strat shaped guitars apart. I think it's regular Fender scale.

[Josh Pelican]

Does anyone else here have Fister's "The Infernal Paramount" on vinyl? I just spun it 'cause I'm trying to get some "riffspiration".

Man... it's so ****ing good. I love how it plays outward from the center.

[mc_muench]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

I'm the same way, i have big hands and long "piano fingers" I stumble over myself on the lower notes of a jazz neck. I like wide flat fretboards and meaty necks. My P-bass has a maple fretboard mighty mite neck that is awesome and fits my hand great, one of the most comfortable necks i've played.

Kinda OT but I got a question for you, what kind of guitars are your guitarists running? I'm trying out different tunings for an upcoming project and the lowest I've gotten with any intonation stability is Drop G on my 27" Baritone Jaguar. I've run out of room for saddle adjustment on the low G so I'm stuck there. But I'd love to mess around in F like you guys do, and I'm afraid I'm gonna have to keep my eye out for my elusive white whale of a guitar, a Fender Bottom Master, its basically a 28.5" scale baritone jaguar, with black hardware and different electronics. It's supposed to be able to be setup anywhere from baritone to bass vi tuning so that would work, but their impossible to find (I'm having a hard enough time finding a backup Baritone Jag).

Why not go straight to a bass VI then?


look on this page...
http://www.rondomusic.com/electricguitar-ss8.html



http://www.rondomusic.com/harm1fgashtoastextended.html
One of these would match mi Ric quite well. Its between this or a P90 guitar from Rondo for make next instrument.

[twhitedc]

Originally Posted by Sartori

Anyone know what the tone stack of the Verellen Meatsmoke is like?

Sonic Bliss!... Seriously though, I have no idea what it's based off of.

Also, I have dropbox, i would love to share some stuff... Please let me know what I need to do in order to connect to the group.

That being said working night jobs, following standard office hours sucks.... and I'm awake.

[Moloch666]

So I didn't get the pedalboard finished today, but 1 or 2 coats of paint, a few more zipties and a hole or 3 and its finally done!

[Ron Now]

I didn't get the Yob tone in a box thing either. When I saw them last Mike used a lovetone provalve 2 into a pigtronix philosophers tone. "Never one without the other"

His big chords sounded like 2 guitarist and he'd hit these complex chords that every note would come through like a knife...in a good way. Best doom band I've ever seen.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by Ron Now

I didn't get the Yob tone in a box thing either. When I saw them last Mike used a lovetone provalve 2 into a pigtronix philosophers tone. "Never one without the other"

His big chords sounded like 2 guitarist and he'd hit these complex chords that every note would come through like a knife...in a good way. Best doom band I've ever seen.

+1

Mikes tones are always amazing. How he gets such heaviness without losing clarity for those big chords is beyond me.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Sartori

Anyone know what the tone stack of the Verellen Meatsmoke is like?

FMV tone stack.

The Meatsmoke is a 300 watt Bassman.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Sartori

What? What is this? Why is it Yob in a box?

Please explain the electric magic to this mere mortal.

For a long time Mike's pedal combo of choice was a ross (similar to dynaco) compressor into a Ross Distortion (there's tons of picturess of this combo on his pedalboard) In recent years he's been experimenting with alot more pedals, the optical compressor was nick's idea but the Suhr Riot clone was supposedly used on the recording of Atma.

Originally Posted by Ron Now

Bongripper uses standard scale guitars an 80's Greco Les Paul, and a 90's Dearmond 7 string SG copy. Both set up to low F using a D string from a bass set and then the top part of a 7-string set for the rest and just ditching the higher strings.

I have an 80' Gibson LP and a 67' SG but both are just in Eb standard although I've been thinking that I might throw the LP into something lower. I'm not much of a guitarist but I like to screw around and sometimes it's a good way to write riffs.

Awesome thanks for the reply! I saw in the Roadburn video that the guitarist to your left was using a 3 pickup les paul but that's all i could tell, the guitarist to your right spent to much time facing you and the drummer to make out what he was playing.

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Why not go straight to a bass VI then?


look on this page...
http://www.rondomusic.com/electricguitar-ss8.html



http://www.rondomusic.com/harm1fgashtoastextended.html
One of these would match mi Ric quite well. Its between this or a P90 guitar from Rondo for make next instrument.

As much as I love rondo's guitar's my OCD has a strangle hold on my GAS. I will eventually get a Bass VI but I would have to tune it up above where i would feel comfortable to get certain tunings, the bottom master being inbetween a baritone and bass VI allows you to tune closer to my sonic goals.

Originally Posted by Ron Now

I didn't get the Yob tone in a box thing either. When I saw them last Mike used a lovetone provalve 2 into a pigtronix philosophers tone. "Never one without the other"

His big chords sounded like 2 guitarist and he'd hit these complex chords that every note would come through like a knife...in a good way. Best doom band I've ever seen.

As stated above Mike's long time combo was a ross compressor + a ross distortion, and then recently he's been trying out all kinds of dirt pedals according to live pedal board shots. The one thing that has stayed constant is the use of a compressor at the beginning of his chain, even he has stated this in interviews. So to me building a compressor and a ross distortion / suhr riot in one enclosure would allow quick access to tones similar to those on The Great Cessation, The Unreal Never Lived, and ATMA. The other variable though is that he also switched amp setups between those albums, going from a Green / Matamp setup to a Marshall JMP style setup.



Here's a pedal board shot showing a whirlwind 2 knob compressor in the upper left and a purple suhr riot right below it:
(even shows the ross distortion on the right side off the board on top of the hoodie)