Stoner/Doom Bassist Thread Part 3:We're all Doooooooooommmmmeeeeddddddddd!!!!

[eyeballkid]

this is a continuation of this thread.

So fellas (and possible yet unknown fell-ettes), Welcome to part 3!

Id like to posit a topic in this thread, which will deviate quite shortly Im sure...but Ill give it a go.

Consider this:
If you wanna know the state of humanity in a culture, look at the new music coming out. Every age of our lifetimes has had an underground/fringe music scene with a vast appeal to those who live outside the mainstream. I like to think this is usually the pool of people who have their thumbs on the pulse beat of the age. Many times these folks eventually move into the outer edges of the dominant culture and get recognized, but even if they dont they later are looked back upon as the definitive marker of that era's zeitgeist. As the ones who lived the history.

for example...
The sixties: Rock and Roll became the experimental counter cultural/philosophical voice of a generation breaking free from conformity at a wild pace. (think the Doors, Floyd, Who etc...). The point is experimentation and rapid expression of freedom.

The seventies: Things go into excesses, but then the disillusionment set comes along. Sabbath, Stooges, MC5, Pistols. All being a kinda "is that all there is" mentality. and then you had Funk...

the eighties: Punk, Hardcore, Real Metal all really hit their stride. Very aggressive, angry, intelligent (at times), and extreme rebellion against the whole conservative backlash. Everything had a cause... even Rob Halford

the nineties: Grunge, Alternative, Industrial really come in and become mainstream. Really kinda showing a mass snarky cynicism and critique but all while being aloof and cool without taking a stand on anything. Kinda cooly defeated heros...oh... Nevermind.

2000s: Mainstream rock craps a big one. Metal goes into the extremes... and the new 'cool scene' becomes Doom and Stoner rock... admit it guys. we're cool now... to some... well, maybe to just that girl... but the biggest most vibrant scene outside of the young techymetal scene (in all its sub genres) is Doom and Stoner rock. Its where the vitality is in new music in ALOT of ways.

the question is...What is the cultural significance/meaning that will get remembered? What does that fact that DOOM is the sound of our generation (collectively) mean? Is it the marker that our collective mindset is just acclimating to the post industrial wasteland? Is it a bleak horizon we foresee? Even if you think its just about wanting to rock it loud and low, theres an underlying spirit of the times in it that speaks to us, or thru us? what is that thing?

sorry if thats Heavy stuff.. but, I figure you all like Heavy.

feel free to carry on with all our other topics, I just thought it would be cool to interject a theme here.. kinda "What stoner rock means to me" in the big sense.... I dunno.

(disclaimer: all of the above is generalization to provoke thought, its not a true to life factual history...)

[bassboysam]

Nice little write up, I will consider your question and return with a response.

[Metal Matt]

To me, doom is the sound of our (the human race) future if we continue on our present path. It's bleak and hopeless. I know plenty of people both in and out of the doom/stoner rock scene that feel this way to some extent about the way things are in our world.

Abandon - Pitch Black Hole

I know the other thread isn't done just yet, but I'm looking forward to hearing other peoples takes on this stuff.

[eyeballkid]

I kinda think along the same lines. Not to get political but if ya look at the music/social politics mindset of each of those categories in the question I think they are analogous. The music reflected how the people as a whole really felt.

The sixties people felt empowered.
In the seventies you had people feeling lost with their new freedoms, or getting consumed by them.
The eighties swung back with violent resistance.
the Nineties were kinda people being more relaxed finally about it all.. things are good.
and then the new century comes and WHAMMO.. people feel overwhelmed on all fronts, powerless to do anything about it... etc..

[Josh Pelican]

Originally Posted by Metal Matt

To me, doom is the sound of our (the human race) future if we continue on our present path. It's bleak and hopeless.

This. Perfect name for the genre. Perfect genre for humanity.

I sometimes wish the world would end in 2012, but at the same time I'd like to do a big tour just once. We could help destroy the world with our low tunings, Matt. I just need to get a few more cabs...

[father of fires]

I was hoping this thread would be called "...Part 3: We're all Doooooooooommmmmeeeeddddddddd!!!!!111!!!111"

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

this is a continuation of this thread.

So fellas (and possible yet unknown fell-ettes), Welcome to part 3!

Id like to posit a topic in this thread, which will deviate quite shortly Im sure...but Ill give it a go.

Consider this:
If you wanna know the state of humanity in a culture, look at the new music coming out. Every age of our lifetimes has had an underground/fringe music scene with a vast appeal to those who live outside the mainstream. I like to think this is usually the pool of people who have their thumbs on the pulse beat of the age. Many times these folks eventually move into the outer edges of the dominant culture and get recognized, but even if they dont they later are looked back upon as the definitive marker of that era's zeitgeist. As the ones who lived the history.

for example...
The sixties: Rock and Roll became the experimental counter cultural/philosophical voice of a generation breaking free from conformity at a wild pace. (think the Doors, Floyd, Who etc...). The point is experimentation and rapid expression of freedom.

The seventies: Things go into excesses, but then the disillusionment set comes along. Sabbath, Stooges, MC5, Pistols. All being a kinda "is that all there is" mentality. and then you had Funk...

the eighties: Punk, Hardcore, Real Metal all really hit their stride. Very aggressive, angry, intelligent (at times), and extreme rebellion against the whole conservative backlash. Everything had a cause... even Rob Halford

the nineties: Grunge, Alternative, Industrial really come in and become mainstream. Really kinda showing a mass snarky cynicism and critique but all while being aloof and cool without taking a stand on anything. Kinda cooly defeated heros...oh... Nevermind.

2000s: Mainstream rock craps a big one. Metal goes into the extremes... and the new 'cool scene' becomes Doom and Stoner rock... admit it guys. we're cool now... to some... well, maybe to just that girl... but the biggest most vibrant scene outside of the young techymetal scene (in all its sub genres) is Doom and Stoner rock. Its where the vitality is in new music in ALOT of ways.

the question is...What is the cultural significance/meaning that will get remembered? What does that fact that DOOM is the sound of our generation (collectively) mean? Is it the marker that our collective mindset is just acclimating to the post industrial wasteland? Is it a bleak horizon we foresee? Even if you think its just about wanting to rock it loud and low, theres an underlying spirit of the times in it that speaks to us, or thru us? what is that thing?

sorry if thats Heavy stuff.. but, I figure you all like Heavy.

feel free to carry on with all our other topics, I just thought it would be cool to interject a theme here.. kinda "What stoner rock means to me" in the big sense.... I dunno.

(disclaimer: all of the above is generalization to provoke thought, its not a true to life factual history...)

I've talked with friends about what the appeal of stoner/doom is and some feel that it is one of the last styles that has any legitimacy. I cant think of any "poser" doom bands. Pentagram/Sabbath may disagree with that statement but I didn't cut my teeth on them so I don't look at the current scene as a bunch of copycats. My terrible shame is that I was influenced by bands that were influenced by the proto-metal/doom bands (I know you're not supposed to admit that but **** it!).

Instead of various forms of metal where they are several generations deep of metal fans becoming bands (sabbath begets band 1-> bands 1 fans create band 2->band 2 begets band 3->Band 3 fans created band 4->Band 4 fans create band 5...etc.). Each step in the process the style evolves and loses a little legitimacy. Band 6 or 7 is a tech/metal-core band who love breakdowns and think sabbath is just a bunch of old farts.

Doom on the other hand is maybe 2 or 3 generations deep because these bands last for ****ing ever and the style hasn't changed. These 2nd/3rd gen bands (basically everyone in this thread) are historians of sort. We know where we came from and why we play what we play. I wish I could explain this better but it is 6:00AM and I'm rushing this before work. If anyone is confused I'll try to clarify later.

Also we don't care about being fashionable or popular or rich. ****, Matt Pike is a prep cook! We do it for the love of music. That to me is why Stoner/Doom is the last bastian of rock and roll!

Also, I don't know why but we seem like a pretty intelligent group and intelligence leads to depression because you realize how hopeless everything is (ignorance is bliss). Maybe Doom just attracts similar people with similar life experiences and goals. Or maybe since we're all just fans our opinion is a little biased. I think a better question would not be why doom is the best music of our time but what attracts us to it in this day and age.

Peace!

[jelenko]

Croatia has a vibrant stoner rock scene. Is it ok if i post a video of my band and some others from Croatia? You might like what you hear. (It's sang in english.)

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by jelenko

Croatia has a vibrant stoner rock scene. Is it ok if i post a video of my band and some others from Croatia? You might like what you hear. (It's sang in english.)

Absolutely. No need to ask. Post away!

[jelenko]

ok, here it comes

first, my band She Loves Pablo,
This one is more of a rock song:

She Loves Pablo - Gamblin' [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube

Here's a more doomy one, although it's still not doom
She Loves Pablo - Slo Diesel - YouTube

another Croatian goldie, Cojones:
Cojones - Fairy - YouTube

one more, Stonebride:
Stonebride-The Amazing Voyagers - YouTube

A fun riff rock band you might like:
RUIZ - Pornstars From Mars - YouTube

Hope that's not too much.

[eyeballkid]

Originally Posted by father of fires

I was hoping this thread would be called "...Part 3: We're all Doooooooooommmmmeeeeddddddddd!!!!!111!!!111"

wish granted.

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

wish granted.

Sweet!

[OOZMAN]

^^^^THATS WHAT DOOM IS?!

[bassboysam]

Why do you say that the Doom scene is the "cool" scene now?

For me Stoner/Doom (and I hate this name/classification) is just too big a group to really understand it. It's almost like a catch-all genre, if they can't categorize you they label you as stoner rock and if you think about it, the number of bands that fit this label now is enormous, in number and styles. I don't think there is any other genre of music that has as much variety within it. Now it could be that because we listen to it so much we can distinguish the nuances of different bands, but I feel these nuances are way more apparent than say bands that play Death Metal, they all sound the same, in fact you have to sound a certain way to be labeled Death Metal, which is not the case in stoner rock.

Just going through my iPod I look at the bands that the mainstream labels as stoner rock or doom and think about how different they are from each other. You have fast bands, slow bands, downtuned sludgy stuff, standard tuned bluesy stuff, ambient/psychedelic, melodic vocals vs screamed vocals or no vocals etc. There is so much variety and everyone is accepted (except for the Sword for some reason ). Its like none of us want to be here but we got thrown in this same pit and we just welcome each other and rock on. The other thing I notice about our little group is how open we are to different things, we listen to different music and can appreciate different music, whether it is metal or jazz or funk or hip hop. that does not happen everywhere and in some genres is even frowned upon.

I personally don't play this music because I feel the world is doomed, its just that I like the attitude everyone has towards the music, there is a lot of emotion and intelligence (I guarantee you more people in this genre read books more that any other style of music) in it, it's laid back and you know that none of us are doing it for the money. There are much easier way to make money than playing in stoner/doom band. I might be a little bias but i do feel that the bands that get thrown into this genre make up the majority of the true rock bands left, the level of musicianship is unparalleled, yes Prog Rock and Metal may be more technical but when it comes to actual song writing and being able to play what the song needs, no one does it better in rock than these bands that get tossed into the stoner/doom world.

I also don't feel that this genre is a new phenomenon, especially the stoner side of things, i truly believe if we were in the 1970's these bands would all be rock and roll bands just like Zeppelin, Sabbath, Mountain etc. if it were 1994 we would be labeled as alternative. We really are not reinventing the wheel here and i think stoner rock has always been around, people just did not need to classify it as such. I do not believe that stoner/doom rock is going to classify our generation, these bands will not be part of any conversations about how they shaped this time the mainstream simply does not understand it. And that can be said about any genre of "underground" music, mainstream media is so powerful that we really can not control how anything is remembered or perceived, which I think is really what sets our time apart from the past. never in history have we been so controlled and limited by our comfort. One day people will look back at the years 2000-20?? and think of them as dark repressive days, that is of course if we wake up and try to do something about our situation. Otherwise we will continue on our current path of ignorance and never know what hit us.

[ampegfuzz]

Well put Sam

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by jelenko

ok, here it comes

first, my band She Loves Pablo,
This one is more of a rock song:

She Loves Pablo - Gamblin' [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube

Here's a more doomy one, although it's still not doom
She Loves Pablo - Slo Diesel - YouTube

another Croatian goldie, Cojones:
Cojones - Fairy - YouTube

one more, Stonebride:
Stonebride-The Amazing Voyagers - YouTube

A fun riff rock band you might like:
RUIZ - Pornstars From Mars - YouTube

Hope that's not too much.

Some really good stuff here, Cojones really stood out for me personally.

[eyeballkid]

I totally agree in alot of ways and thats what I like about it too!
as to why its the "cool" scene now.. I guess its just that EVERYWHERE I go Im running into someone that is into it.. I am from the Maryland area so my sample group is a bit skewed, kinda like being from DC in the early 90s and thinking the scene revolves around Fugazi...But here especially it seems to have the most vibrant community and dedicated set of bands the WORK IT. Plus when I look at my facebook Im constantly seeing people I never thought would dig this scene posting up Sleep videos or Earthless videos. I cringe when people call something Im into "cool" cos that usually means they think its something that is the "new thing" that we will all make ironic jokes about in 2 years and I dont see this scene that way AT ALL. But those that move from trend to trend have finally begun to recognize the worth of the scene.. Hell even Pitchfork gives good reviews to bands in this scene...I guess its coming more and more into the wider music fans viewfinders. Hell, at SHOD I saw a few friends who if you ask them would say they HATE metal, but there they were watching Doom bands.

[Phendyr_Loon]

Originally Posted by OOZMAN

^^^^THATS WHAT DOOM IS?!

I agree. Though maybe it's more of a cultural difference, all of those videos to me sounded like Pantera mixed with Alice in Chains. I never thought that separate those bands ever had a "doom" element to them.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by eyeballkid

I totally agree in alot of ways and thats what I like about it too!
as to why its the "cool" scene now.. I guess its just that EVERYWHERE I go Im running into someone that is into it.. I am from the Maryland area so my sample group is a bit skewed, kinda like being from DC in the early 90s and thinking the scene revolves around Fugazi...But here especially it seems to have the most vibrant community and dedicated set of bands the WORK IT. Plus when I look at my facebook Im constantly seeing people I never thought would dig this scene posting up Sleep videos or Earthless videos. I cringe when people call something Im into "cool" cos that usually means they think its something that is the "new thing" that we will all make ironic jokes about in 2 years and I dont see this scene that way AT ALL. But those that move from trend to trend have finally begun to recognize the worth of the scene.. Hell even Pitchfork gives good reviews to bands in this scene...I guess its coming more and more into the wider music fans viewfinders. Hell, at SHOD I saw a few friends who if you ask them would say they HATE metal, but there they were watching Doom bands.

I definitely think your location skews things, most people here have no idea what I am talking about, when they hear Monobrow most people associate it with early Rush or Tool? they have no idea about this little world we have.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Phendyr_Loon

I agree. Though maybe it's more of a cultural difference, all of those videos to me sounded like Pantera mixed with Alice in Chains. I never thought that separate those bands ever had a "doom" element to them.

no one claimed that it was doom...