Stoner/Doom Bassist Thread Part 7 - The Elite 8 vs. The New Guys

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by father of fires

I love how other forumites like to take shots at us stoner/doom guys. I guess you have to be pretty popular for it to be OK to be made fun of.

Wha? who's getting made fun of? Because of our old aged ways regarding amplification? Many people on here make comments about Orange, Emperor, and the like about being guitar cabs and not good for bass because of xyz chart. Who cares? If the tone is tits why do we need to know about some x-cursion limit? If it starts to sound like crap, turn down or turn off. Not that hard of a concept..

[eyeballkid]

I thought it was Ride Sally Ride. She was hot btw...

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Mattosaur

Shut up and play Mustang Sally.

Tom Principato band - They called for 'stormy monday - YouTube

[Lazarus.Bird]

Tried to finally take some pics of the basses tonight but by the time I snapped them the sun had mostly gone down. I'll have to make the woman take some with her DSLR.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by father of fires

I love how other forumites like to take shots at us stoner/doom guys. I guess you have to be pretty popular for it to be OK to be made fun of.

I dunno, I think the stoner/doom dudes are pretty well respected in the amps forum.

There are folks who don't get the idea that not everybody is into the same things on every forum/subforum.

[thombo]

i traded a bass body for a cab last weekend to a fellow tber. The dude could play his balls off, but just didn't get the tube thing- he has a mesa scout (which is a great little head).
when i busted out my rack to test the cab, he went into a fair amount of detail about lighter options. i tried to explain that i finally have a sound that i've been chasing but there seemed to be a disconnect in conversation. then he started reminiscing about how cheap svt's use to be and how he wish he had bought one... and then said i should pick up a used scout from guitar center. in all honesty, i'd love a cheap micro backup/ basement jammer, but they are so much less fun than the other things i gas for.

[Sartori]

Yeah, not everybody gets that to some of us, weight doesn't matter.

[Fuzzbassian]

Seeing as we all seem to have a pretty general consensus on 'tube amps all the way',I'm wondering how you guys do things live?
Do you mic your cabs? is there any particular kind of mic you prefer?
Or do you use a standalone D.I and use the amp for monitoring? Or do you blend both?
And how loud would you say you play?
Personally my ideal in this situation is to have the amp set to balls out loud (within reason of course),a Clean D.I mixed with a mic on the cabinet.Whilst I prefer MD 421's or M88's,if I'm in a pinch I'm fine with an SM57,just anything that will convey what I'm hearing on stage.

[mc_muench]

Rough recorded all of our songs tonight so I could practice, the band is pretty much waiting on me to come up with my lines and getting riff changes down. Then some minimal lyrics, and we will be set to go! We may have a name as well...Brave Ulysses.

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by Fuzzbassian

Seeing as we all seem to have a pretty general consensus on 'tube amps all the way',I'm wondering how you guys do things live?
Do you mic your cabs? is there any particular kind of mic you prefer?
Or do you use a standalone D.I and use the amp for monitoring? Or do you blend both?
And how loud would you say you play?
Personally my ideal in this situation is to have the amp set to balls out loud (within reason of course),a Clean D.I mixed with a mic on the cabinet.Whilst I prefer MD 421's or M88's,if I'm in a pinch I'm fine with an SM57,just anything that will convey what I'm hearing on stage.

Haven't recorded with the doom band yet or played out, it's still in its formative stages. When playing out I imagine we'll either mic cabs, or just turn up loud enough to have the PA only cover vocals and drums.

When we recorded with my other band, we mic'd the cab. I've generally had the cab mic'd at shows in another band as well.

[Jason!]

So heavy... Meth Drinker
Sucks they don't have the full album up.

On another note got my Bluebeard number!

[Jason!]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Rough recorded all of our songs tonight so I could practice, the band is pretty much waiting on me to come up with my lines and getting riff changes down. Then some minimal lyrics, and we will be set to go! We may have a name as well...Brave Ulysses.

Name sounds like a keeper!

[swspiers]

Originally Posted by Fuzzbassian

Seeing as we all seem to have a pretty general consensus on 'tube amps all the way',I'm wondering how you guys do things live?
Do you mic your cabs? is there any particular kind of mic you prefer?
Or do you use a standalone D.I and use the amp for monitoring? Or do you blend both?
And how loud would you say you play?
Personally my ideal in this situation is to have the amp set to balls out loud (within reason of course),a Clean D.I mixed with a mic on the cabinet.Whilst I prefer MD 421's or M88's,if I'm in a pinch I'm fine with an SM57,just anything that will convey what I'm hearing on stage.

I guess for a Stoner/Doom fan, I'm out of the norm. for me it's SS all the way. I've recently stepped up to the world of Genz Benz and class D amplification with a Shuttlemax 12.

I have never played through an amp with this much power and EQ potential. And a DI out with a pre or post eq switch, but I haven't needed to go through a PA yet so I haven't used it.

I also used 10's instead of 15's.

Hopefully this painful self-disclosure doesn't disqualify me from being one of the New Guys

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Fuzzbassian

Seeing as we all seem to have a pretty general consensus on 'tube amps all the way',I'm wondering how you guys do things live?
Do you mic your cabs? is there any particular kind of mic you prefer?
Or do you use a standalone D.I and use the amp for monitoring? Or do you blend both?
And how loud would you say you play?
Personally my ideal in this situation is to have the amp set to balls out loud (within reason of course),a Clean D.I mixed with a mic on the cabinet.Whilst I prefer MD 421's or M88's,if I'm in a pinch I'm fine with an SM57,just anything that will convey what I'm hearing on stage.

Whoa there. Tubes are too much trouble for me. I still play a 40lbs SS head though. It might say SUNN on it but that's because I needed an amp and my buddy lent me his. SWR and Markbass can sound pretty DOOMY!*






*With the right cabs.

Bassboy uses the Radial JDX. It's a DI that you put between the head and the cab. It has a speaker sim to help it sound like a mic'd cab. I'm gonna pick one up one of these days myself.

[ampegfuzz]

I have a radial JDI on my board and I used it at the last show. It is after all my effects and I ran the speaker sim. A very good friend and bass player said it sounded killer but a little quiet in the mix. So either he was drunk and blowing smoke up my butt or next show I can get away with my cover band rig( 115 & genz shuttle 9.0)

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by father of fires

Whoa there. Tubes are too much trouble for me. I still play a 40lbs SS head though. It might say SUNN on it but that's because I needed an amp and my buddy lent me his. SWR and Markbass can sound pretty DOOMY!*

*With the right cabs.

Bassboy uses the Radial JDX. It's a DI that you put between the head and the cab. It has a speaker sim to help it sound like a mic'd cab. I'm gonna pick one up one of these days myself.

Slight correction, I use a JDI not the JDX. I tried the JDX and found it noisy and too boxy sounding. Keep in mind though if you use a lot of fuzz or distortion either you or the soundman need turn down some of the high end. You don't get the roll-off that you would naturally get from the speaker from either the JDI or JDX. The speaker sim on the JDI is fairly subtle.

Most times the sound guys are skeptical, and are convinced the JDI will blow up, but after the show each one of them mentions how well it worked,

As far as mics go, sm57 will do the job but I love my PR40. Just too scared to take it out on a gig...for now.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

I have a radial JDI on my board and I used it at the last show. It is after all my effects and I ran the speaker sim. A very good friend and bass player said it sounded killer but a little quiet in the mix. So either he was drunk and blowing smoke up my butt or next show I can get away with my cover band rig( 115 & genz shuttle 9.0)

I don't think the speaker sim works without the 15db pad engaged. Did you use the pad? Maybe that was why it was quiet.

[ampegfuzz]

I did at first, then the soundman said my signal was too weak during soundcheck, so I turned the pad off. And I was under the impression you could use the speaker sim whenever. Ill have to do some research. My friend said i was quiet in the mix after the soundcheck during the show.

[ampegfuzz]

Oops:

(12) SPEAKER switch - a pad circuit that allows you to tap the signal from a speaker cabinet. Features a band-pass filter to emulate a 12" driver. Note: Only use in parallel with a speaker cabinet or load box.

[bassboysam]

If I remember correctly the sim only works with the pad, but I could be wrong. I don't remember. I'm out of town so I can't really check with mine right now. You can also email radial, they are pretty quick at responding.