Stoner/DOOM Bassists part 35: Colorado Bound

[Crucified]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Hot damn dude! What kind of DAW are you running?

I'm running cubase 5. considering upgrading to 7 now but 5 has treated me well and i've gotten it really really stable so every time i think about upgrading i think about the time i'll need to spend to get it locked down rock solid again and end up not upgrading.

I'm in session right now with a couple of dudes playing some doom/blackish metal/southern slowness. It's awesome so far. I've got a really good thing going with those apis on kick and toms and then a jowmeek twin q for snare and a pair of tl audio tube pres with ribbons on overheads.

good ole 57/421 combo for guitars and beta52/57 for bass. plus a di for fun.

life could be a lot worse.

[ampegfuzz]

I would totally due a triple threat on bass. DI, 57, and a good kick mic. I really like the audix D6. Where is blender??? I'm pretty sure he had a kid but he hasn't popped in in a while.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

I would totally due a triple threat on bass. DI, 57, and a good kick mic. I really like the audix D6. Where is blender??? I'm pretty sure he had a kid but he hasn't popped in in a while.

My band is getting more and more audix stuff. They're really impressive.

You recording di, and 2 mics? Might get phase issues…

[ampegfuzz]

If the DI was giving ya crap I bet you could flip the phase if it has the option. My JDI has a phase flip.

[Crucified]

most daws have phase flip too, or if you want you can try nudging the track a ms or two

[Lars_Vegas]

sometimes a phase issue sounds even better, if you are lucky ;-)

[Sartori]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

I wish I knew more people who were down to drive to shows in the bay area around here. I would totally have made plans for that Neurosis/Yob show. I didn't know it was happening until I saw Sartori's post, but I never bother finding out what shows are happening in Santa Cruz or the bay area anymore. Since I'm not going to be driving several hours round trip by myself for a show.

Neurosis was pretty sick.

Yob only played two songs. Had an almost 40 minute set anyway, as the two songs were "Burning the Altar" and "The Mental Tyrant."

They said they'd be back in NorCal in December and then again in April, though.

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

If the DI was giving ya crap I bet you could flip the phase if it has the option. My JDI has a phase flip.

How do you like the JDI? I was thinking of getting one since I believe I heard it can handle the speaker out output of a high wattage amp. Is that true? Cause I'll probably need it for when the Orange comes in and I want to record. I want to get that delicious power tube distortion in the DI. The JDI also has a speaker emulated out doesn't it?

and I'm just curious what mics and miking techniques do you guys use to record your amps?

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Well if you want something in an enclosure to match the head there's not many options. Your best bet would be to talk to member Demon666 he's built his own cabs and is considering making cabs for others and he could definitely build you something that could fit the bill.

hmm I don't know...it would probably be insanely expensive to ship cabs across the border not to mention the price of the cabs themselves. I don't imagine custom cabs would be cheap.

I mean is there anything inherently wrong/bad about the OBC cabs?

I remember reading Tom Bowlus' (sp?) 1x15 shootout thread and he said he rather liked the OBC 115 and that it was in the top tier of the ones he tested.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

How do you like the JDI? I was thinking of getting one since I believe I heard it can handle the speaker out output of a high wattage amp. Is that true? Cause I'll probably need it for when the Orange comes in and I want to record. I want to get that delicious power tube distortion in the DI. The JDI also has a speaker emulated out doesn't it?

and I'm just curious what mics and miking techniques do you guys use to record your amps?

You can use the JDI at speaker level but the speaker sim is voiced more for guitar than bass so in a studio i wouldnt reccomend it on its own. it can sound a little boxy but if you mix it with a good mic or a clean DI it will work really well.

I am having my JDI modded to improve the speaker sim, basically moving the band pass filter to a lower freq and i am increasing the input pad so that it can handle more power. my guess is that it will likely distort if you run the Orange full bore but more moderate settings would be fine.

Also you always need an actual cab connected. the jdi is not a speaker load.

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

You can use the JDI at speaker level but the speaker sim is voiced more for guitar than bass so in a studio i wouldnt reccomend it on its own. it can sound a little boxy but if you mix it with a good mic or a clean DI it will work really well.

I am having my JDI modded to improve the speaker sim, basically moving the band pass filter to a lower freq and i am increasing the input pad so that it can handle more power. my guess is that it will likely distort if you run the Orange full bore but more moderate settings would be fine.

Also you always need an actual cab connected. the jdi is not a speaker load.

Cool thanks for the info and yeah I know I'd still need the cab connected also. The Orange won't be my first tube amp. I also have an SVT-VR. Just looking for something Dirtier and a bit more portable/less powerful for home use.

I'd likely be mixing the DI signal with signal recorded from mic'ing up the cabs. I just don't have said mics yet since I don't know what mics are good for getting a good bass tone in a recording situation.

[Lars_Vegas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eybekPxZjMQ

I contributed to the speaker-sim DI subject some threads ago and mentioned that I use a Behringer GI 100 Ultra-G as a cheap solution for livegigs.

well there is how it sounds in a live setting with an Orange Terror Bass driven by some Muff and Fuzzrocious OSD.

It works pretty well, BAss is only the Orange and the Behringer DI.

Havent recorded with it yet, but I would at least try it.

[thombo]

Going back a few pages w/ this- We played a show last night with a bunch of local doomers, and the bassist a from Angry Hand of God was playing an 80's Marshall JCM 800 into an Acoustic 18" speaker... it sounded awesome! No problem competing w/ the guitarists Marshall, and they were not a quiet band.

Here's a pic wifie took of me getting my lunge on!

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

Cool thanks for the info and yeah I know I'd still need the cab connected also. The Orange won't be my first tube amp. I also have an SVT-VR. Just looking for something Dirtier and a bit more portable/less powerful for home use.

I'd likely be mixing the DI signal with signal recorded from mic'ing up the cabs. I just don't have said mics yet since I don't know what mics are good for getting a good bass tone in a recording situation.

I don't have a lot of experience with mics but I really love the sound of my Heil PR-40.

I don't know what you mean by home use, but the Orange will still be extremely loud. I doubt you could get powertube breakup without the neighbours complaining. for that you would need something in the 2-5 watt range.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Lars_Vegas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eybekPxZjMQ

I contributed to the speaker-sim DI subject some threads ago and mentioned that I use a Behringer GI 100 Ultra-G as a cheap solution for livegigs.

well there is how it sounds in a live setting with an Orange Terror Bass driven by some Muff and Fuzzrocious OSD.

It works pretty well, BAss is only the Orange and the Behringer DI.

Havent recorded with it yet, but I would at least try it.

Sounds really good, very similar to the JDI. Cool song too.



On a side note, I don't know how you dudes play with your basses slung so low, my left wrist just can't handle it....

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

I don't have a lot of experience with mics but I really love the sound of my Heil PR-40.

I don't know what you mean by home use, but the Orange will still be extremely loud. I doubt you could get powertube breakup without the neighbours complaining. for that you would need something in the 2-5 watt range.

Well right now my SVT w/810 is setup in my basement since I don't have a band right now and I can get it pretty loud but it doesn't get dirty enough for me when I'm not using some type of fuzz or dirt pedal.

Figured the Orange through 215 would be alot more manageable than SVT through 810. Plus it's naturally dirtier.

And the neighbors haven't complained yet and I get earplug level loud with the SVT+fuzz pedal

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

On a side note, I don't know how you dudes play with your basses slung so low, my left wrist just can't handle it....

Yeah I'm the same. I definitely need my bass to be up high compared to alot of people. Feels like my wrist is gonna snap in half if I go too low.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

And the neighbors haven't complained yet and I get earplug level loud with the SVT+fuzz pedal

Those are some nice neighbors. I wish I could pull that off. I can get some nice dirt out of my Richtone in the basement without any noise complaints (on the 25 watt setting) but that's about it.

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

Those are some nice neighbors. I wish I could pull that off. I can get some nice dirt out of my Richtone in the basement without any noise complaints (on the 25 watt setting) but that's about it.

Yeah I'm pretty lucky I don't live within earshot of any aholes. A few of the bands I was in would rehearse at my place and we'd rock out from 7pm till 10pm or 11pm. That was with a loud drummer my SVT rig and two 100W guitar rigs. Never got any complaints.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Crucified

I'm running cubase 5. considering upgrading to 7 now but 5 has treated me well and i've gotten it really really stable so every time i think about upgrading i think about the time i'll need to spend to get it locked down rock solid again and end up not upgrading.

I'm in session right now with a couple of dudes playing some doom/blackish metal/southern slowness. It's awesome so far. I've got a really good thing going with those apis on kick and toms and then a jowmeek twin q for snare and a pair of tl audio tube pres with ribbons on overheads.

good ole 57/421 combo for guitars and beta52/57 for bass. plus a di for fun.

life could be a lot worse.

Very nice!!! Sounds like you have the recipe for some sick recordings!!! We're currently running a Protools 10 setup with a Digi 003, a bunch of inexpensive pre's and some heil and audix mics. It's not awe inspiring but it does great for tracking and mixing. We're about to pickup an RME 4 channel preamp and a presonus digimax 8 channel pre to expand our input section to 16 channels. And if our latest trailer deal goes through our drummer / "producer" is hell bent on picking up an Apogee pre and U87, I'm interested to try out the Apogee vs an Avalon. Any experience with those?

For drums I'm using (in glynn johns + subkick method) - 2 heil PR30's as overheads, an Audix f14 for snare (it beat out my i5's in a shootout we did), a Heil pr48 for kick batter, and a homemade sub-kick on the reso

Guitars - PR30 + Audix I5

Bass - PR30 or PR48 (depends on the tone we're going for) + Sub-kick

And yes life could be alot worse.

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

How do you like the JDI? I was thinking of getting one since I believe I heard it can handle the speaker out output of a high wattage amp. Is that true? Cause I'll probably need it for when the Orange comes in and I want to record. I want to get that delicious power tube distortion in the DI. The JDI also has a speaker emulated out doesn't it?

and I'm just curious what mics and miking techniques do you guys use to record your amps?

The AD200B has a preamp out, all you need is a regular old DI box and run the slave out into there. I've done it numerous time at shows, just make sure to put a LPF filter (ghetto speaker emulation) on it in post, look up the speaker specs and put it where the speaker naturally drops off and it should sound relatively close to your sound coming through your cabs.

I use dual mics, usually a large diaphram dynamic and a subkick then put a LPF on the subkick and a HPF on the dynamic to make a natural crossover.

Originally Posted by HydrasBreath

hmm I don't know...it would probably be insanely expensive to ship cabs across the border not to mention the price of the cabs themselves. I don't imagine custom cabs would be cheap.

I mean is there anything inherently wrong/bad about the OBC cabs?

I remember reading Tom Bowlus' (sp?) 1x15 shootout thread and he said he rather liked the OBC 115 and that it was in the top tier of the ones he tested.

There's nothing wrong with the OBC cabs at all they are just really heavy and really expensive. If those aren't issues to you then by all means do it! I really want an orange 8x10 but they are insanely expensive new (I could get 2 emperors for the price of one orange) and never come up used.