Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 36 - Old School Death Metal Wannabes

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

we were kind of in the back of the show, adam is a tall mofo so he could see more than i could. Al had 2 Rics in the show one was a 5 string the other a 4 string. The sound was just like someone cut all the mid range out off the tone and then often sounded like something was clipping somewhere in either the PA or the rig. It got better when the guy who does synth for OM played over him and kind of blended in some notes but when it was just Al it was kind of gross. Even when he kicked on some dist/fuzz it didnt help much. Kind of like a blanket was on his cab

That sucks about the tone, theres an infinite number of variables that could have played into that. How was the actual show though? I take it from your focus on the tone that the performance wasn't mind blowing? I kinda don't want to ruin my love for them by going to see them for the first time and being disappointed with the performance.

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Sorry, but I'm not buying that a guy like Al sounded like **** because he was using different amps. The great ones make any gear work. Was probably more on the head of the venue or the sound guy.

it sounded like **** either way. Im not sure if he was mic'd or not again we were not close enough. Dont know if it was the PA. The vocals were pretty solid through the PA and could keep up with the rest of the band so i dont think it was necessarily underpowered but something stank it up.

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

That sucks about the tone, theres an infinite number of variables that could have played into that. How was the actual show though? I take it from your focus on the tone that the performance wasn't mind blowing? I kinda don't want to ruin my love for them by going to see them for the first time and being disappointed with the performance.

well at any show I focus on tone, its just a basic thing to me since I focus a significant amount of my free time on that. Natural for me to scrutinize it. They played pretty well but like i said i would have preferred to hear more older cuts then newer ones.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

yea go see them man, esp if you like God is Good or Advaitic Songs since most of the set was mashed up between those records. I dont think anything from the earlier records with Chris on drums was played. that was also a bummer since I enjoy that stuff more than anything else

Gotha, i love advaitic songs but if they didn't play any of the classics i'd be kind of disappointed.

[dunwichamps]

crowd was pretty chill. Best vibe was probably State of Non Return, the sort of heaviest song of the bunch.

[dozicusmaximus]

Reminds me of the time a few friends of mine went to see Mammoth Grinder with me, a local crusty death metal band. Really really awesome. I talked them up.
They sounded like complete ass. There was an extra guitar player. I don't know what the hell was going on. The whole mix sounded like dog sh!t. I was super bummed.
But it was a solid line up of bands anyway, the rest of them sounded good too.
Headliner was Saviours. 2 songs in my buddy puked in a trash can and we got kicked out.

[Corey Y]

Finally got the Squier Precision I was piecing back together finished. Got all the nasty glue residue off the headstock from the weird overlay that was on it, got the generic ebay pickguard and pickup and all the hardware on, polished up the frets and threw an old set of strings on it. It needs a setup bad, but after that it's ready hit CL and hopefully make me some quick $$ for my gear fund. One less pile of parts sitting in my warehouse.

[JoeVictim]

So, I got a coworker doing up some band art for me. I started showing him some other stoner rock band art and I knew he was the right guy when he recognized Fu Manchu (same album you posted on FB, Laz)

I then sent him the soundcloud link to "get inspired" and he was like, have you ever heard of the Melvins? You guys kinda sound like them. lol. I'm all smiles for awhile now.

[jerrymcdougal]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

few things

some of that is probably because ur using such large plate resistors and the supply is so low that is really is biased very very oddly. I use a load line plotter to see how stages are biased and with nearly any cathode resistor it is really biased in a cramped location on the bottom left hand corner of the plate curves. I would suggest plate load resistors of like 5k to 2k instead. Finally, your have such huge coupling caps and very little interstage atteunations it probably has a lot of blocking distortion. I suggest thining the coupling caps and using 470k/470k resistive dividers in each stage to lower the signal before each grid and that should really clean up the ****** decay sound.

You are my hero Dunwich! I'll try these suggestions out. Many thanks! I should specify, this isn't my schem but one I found. I'm not to the point of designing my own circuits yet by any means. I've only got a couple electronics courses under my belt, and they were YEARS ago.

Where would I place the resistive dividers exactly? Where the 470K's currently are or where the 1M's are? Or both?

In any case, the resistive divider would be replacing (not in addition to) the existing 470K/1M correct?

Schem

Thanks a lot man!

[Lazarus.Bird]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

few things

some of that is probably because ur using such large plate resistors and the supply is so low that is really is biased very very oddly. I use a load line plotter to see how stages are biased and with nearly any cathode resistor it is really biased in a cramped location on the bottom left hand corner of the plate curves. I would suggest plate load resistors of like 5k to 2k instead. Finally, your have such huge coupling caps and very little interstage atteunations it probably has a lot of blocking distortion. I suggest thining the coupling caps and using 470k/470k resistive dividers in each stage to lower the signal before each grid and that should really clean up the ****** decay sound.

lol. that's some wizard **** right there.

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by jerrymcdougal

You are my hero Dunwich! I'll try these suggestions out. Many thanks! I should specify, this isn't my schem but one I found. I'm not to the point of designing my own circuits yet by any means. I've only got a couple electronics courses under my belt, and they were YEARS ago.

Where would I place the resistive dividers exactly? Where the 470K's currently are or where the 1M's are? Or both?

In any case, the resistive divider would be replacing (not in addition to) the existing 470K/1M correct?

Schem

Thanks a lot man!

You would need to put a resistive divider after each coupling cap, which would be like 2 470k resistors or so to have 1/2 of the signal going into the next triode

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by JoeVictim

I then sent him the soundcloud link to "get inspired" and he was like, have you ever heard of the Melvins? You guys kinda sound like them. lol. I'm all smiles for awhile now.

[dunwichamps]

something like this scheme idea may work.



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[change-jug]

All this talk about crappy live sound reminds me of Every Time I die. I really love/loved their first ep and 2 lps. So over the years I`ve gotten to catch them live a bunch of time(especially due to being from buffalo). Their stage show and energy was always great but their live sound was more often than not sucky. No definition,just muddy.

I really like the new album and wouldn`t mind watching them live again.

[jerrymcdougal]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

something like this scheme idea may work.



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Awesome Dunwich! Thanks for that! Would I make R2 (470K) the master gain then? (using a pot obviously).

Output to the next stage would be pulled from between R5 and R6 right?

R23 and R4 could be trim pots right?

Should I use an input cap?

This is the best thread/place on the interwebs ever!

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by jerrymcdougal

Awesome Dunwich! Thanks for that! Would I make R2 (470K) the master gain then? (using a pot obviously).

Output to the next stage would be pulled from between R5 and R6 right?

R23 and R4 could be trim pots right?

This is the best thread/place on the interwebs ever!

sure any of that could be done if you want. how much attenuation you need will be determined by ur particular design

also read here

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/Common_Gain_Stage.pdf

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/gridstopper.html

[jerrymcdougal]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

sure any of that could be done if you want. how much attenuation you need will be determined by ur particular design

also read here

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/Common_Gain_Stage.pdf

http://www.valvewizard.co.uk/gridstopper.html

Great! Those are on my to-read list, thanks. I've read them once before, but I think I need to read them again to grasp them better.

I should probably bread board this this time instead of just being impatient and building it from the schem right away. The existing version I built all ptp on the backs of the tube sockets, so it's going to be fun undoing it all!

If it's an easy answer, why the difference in values between the two dividers (470k/1M and 220K/470K)?

If this is asking too much feel free to tell me to stfu! I do really appreciate though, you have no idea!

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by jerrymcdougal

Great! Those are on my to-read list, thanks. I've read them once before, but I think I need to read them again to grasp them better.

I should probably bread board this this time instead of just being impatient and building it from the schem right away. The existing version I built all ptp on the backs of the tube sockets, so it's going to be fun undoing it all!

If it's an easy answer, why the difference in values between the two dividers (470k/1M and 220K/470K)?

If this is asking too much feel free to tell me to stfu! I do really appreciate though, you have no idea!

slightly different levels of attenuation and different loads on the triode so different RC cutoffs. Again just showing some ideas you can tailor around

[Lazarus.Bird]

Well I haven't seen them in person yet, but these look pretty awesome in the photos. Our drummer made the packaging himself, and our singer made a bunch of CDs with a lightscribe drive with some cool looking space stuff. Pretty good for being made in house!

[dunwichamps]

it looks nice man. Send me a copy!
Ill send u money!