Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 36 - Old School Death Metal Wannabes

[bassboysam]

every single i one i tried, was compressed, muddy and if you turn up the treble turned into a fizzy mess.

[eyeballkid]

Originally Posted by b-bottom

Need some cab suggestions

Within the next few months I'm picking up an Orange ad200.

I've been going back and forth about which cab(s) I should pair the thing up with. As much as I would like one, 8x10 cab is out of the question because I wouldn't be able to get the thing in my car (2011 Ford Fiesta)

So a few cabs that I've been thinking about are the Ampeg 6x10 cab and the Orange 4x10 and possibly 1x15.

What are your thoughts on these cabs and do you have any other suggestions?

I never liked my ad200 thru an ampeg 610, that cab can be woofy in a bad way with a head with so much available low wool. i've not played the orange cabs, but haven't been tempted either. the nv412, and nv610 are both amazing with it and have plenty volume and are easy transport too. I also liked it with my fender 215 & 610 pros for a more open ported sound. all of them fit much better in a car than an 810.

[mc_muench]

The trunks on those fiesta sedans defy the laws of physics, they are huge.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Never heard a CL that sounded good? You guys are off your rockers.

Really. All I generally do on an Ampeg SVT Cl is engage the low and high boosts and 12 o'clock all the knobs. Sounds perfect with my 'bird and eb3.

I will say the SVT VR head sounds much better IMO, but, the Cl is a solid work horse. I've personally had reliability issues with a Cl head but tone was never an issue.

[Lazarus.Bird]

I still prefer the CL to the VR.

[DethByDoom]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

I still prefer the CL to the VR.

Just curious… what made you go with the 7 pro? Weight? I haven't played one(7 pro). Your thoughts on the 7 pro vs 3 pro?

[ampegfuzz]

Johns Crazy brain thinks its better

[Lazarus.Bird]

Bought the 7 pro as a backup to my VR. Ended up preferring the sound and its compatibility with pedals compared to the VR, so I sold the VR and haven't regretted it.

Its been years since I owned my 3 pro. Kind of different animals. Different pre and power section. Probably twice as loud if not more. 7 pro can get a little more OD drive out of the gain than the 3 pro.

But now my Orange is king of the hill

[mlove]

Never spend much time with a VR but I am happy with my CL and 810E

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by beebassdude

russia was the coolest place ive ever played a show, and music fans there were the coolest people ever.

and you have a song called Clarence Boddicker, which automatically wins.

I liked Roswell Surgery.

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by Sunnburn

I wasn't at any of the Om shows to truly comment on the live sound. But it has seemed to me that on Advaitic songs he is low in the mix and almost sub bassy. "State of non return" is probably the fave song with the majority of us. The bass drives and is more up front.
Maybe he's stepping back and serving the songs more than trying to be the dude that everyone came to see.

I would agree with you for the most part, but live there were even less mids which made it even more difficult to discern notes. I had to try and tune everything else out and watch his hands to be able to pick out the notes he was playing.

Of course as soon as he hit the distortion (thereby bringing up the mids and highs) he sounded great and everything was audible. I think there just needs to be some EQing or something to make the notes more audible.

By the way I don't think that the problems were due to the Ampegs themselves, but I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that Al is still working out the optimum sound for different gear. He might just not know because he is just used to songs so he doesn't realize. I know it is hard for me to tell what my tone is like in the moment when I am concentrating on playing. Then I hear the play back from our practice recordings and go yeah I am too loud or I need to turn down the bass or turn the mids up.

[mlove]

external hard drive dead.
tons of music gone.
here comes a day or so of ripping my cd library again.

[JoeVictim]

A little shameless self promotion, first show flyer done.

[Lowest End]

So while at Rudy's in Manhattan I played a pretty nice '75 fretless P-bass. It was in remarkable condition. Glossed maple neck. Yup. Sounded and played like a P-bass, which is to say everything I don't want. Still, a pretty cool piece of bass history.

I also tried an MTD 635. I don't really play six strings and MTDs are also not for me but great googily moogily what an incredible instrument.

I went across the street to Sam Ashe (formerly Manny's) and played a couple of nice Euro Spectors and a Warwick Streamer. I will always love how the Spectors play but man the Warwick tone is just incredible.

[Meddle]

Originally Posted by swspiers

All this commentary on Al's sound with the Ampeg gear sums up my experience listening to and playing Ampeg. All mud, horrible sound live.

Rationalize it all you want. Ampeg has the money to BUY their way onto backlines. I have simply never, ever heard a live performance with an Ampeg backline and thought to myself "wow, I won't to drop a ton of money so I can sound like that."

None of the bass players I know and hang with use Ampeg, come to think of it. I guess back in the day they were the only game in town. But that was a long, long time ago. There's too much really good gear out there nowadays to put up with crappy sound, poor extension, muddiness, beaming and high prices.

End Rant....

This reminds me of a post I made on another forum once about gear I would never own;

"Never played through an Ampeg amp I've enjoyed. Their smaller combos are rated at 300 of some of the quietest watts I've ever heard. Their bigger stuff is just a legacy of the days when PAs didn't keep up with technology so you had to hulk huge soundsystem amps around to be heard. Ampeg is the lazyboy approach to bass amplification. Play metal/blues/grunge/funk/ska? Get an SVT maaaaaan. I've never enjoyed that grindy semi-distorted sound"

Neer enjoyed Ampeg gear. Playing one seems to be like pushing a spring or something. Never enjoyed playing with their gear.

[ampegfuzz]

You guys are weird!

[demon666]

I have no problem with the older Ampeg stuff, I'm not too impressed by some of the newer stuff but they are pretty easy to get a decent tone out of quick as long as you have used one before. Om just sounded blown out and muddy, not sure why. Maybe he's just trying to push too much low end out or maybe it was the PA.

[thombo]

Originally Posted by JoeVictim

A little shameless self promotion, first show flyer done.

perty flyer!

[Road Bull]

These look like newer Ampegs that are forward in the mix with Kyuss Lives. Not sure how he is riding the EQ, but at times it sounds pretty good. He looses some volume when he starts into the upper registers. He is also mixing another head in. not too sure what it is. And to be fair, this is mixed, so, there's that.

[ampegfuzz]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

It was a video of Scott Reeder playing an SVT (II I think) through 2 ampeg 810s with his Ric that got the ball rolling for me. still need one more 810 to finish the quest. having said that the 810E and the SVT CL never sounded that great to me. is there better gear than Ampeg? probably. but my theory is if it's good enough for Reeder it's good enough for me.


here is said clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=SK_zTEeeIKQ 16:51 is especially awesome.

Did you notice the non lefty tbird bass?