Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 36 - Old School Death Metal Wannabes

[Toastfuzz]

Originally Posted by thombo

well there's your problem! get louder!

I thought my guitarists' halfstack and my 2x15 were loud, until we played with a full stack and 4x15. +1 to adding speakers lol

[beebassdude]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

I thought my guitarists' halfstack and my 2x15 were loud, until we played with a full stack and 4x15. +1 to adding speakers lol

thats why its smarter to play with 16x12, 12x12, and 8x15s. duh!

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

I thought my guitarists' halfstack and my 2x15 were loud, until we played with a full stack and 4x15. +1 to adding speakers lol

Bah, I already have enough gas for a big rig, don't fuel it! I'm probably one of the few people in this thread rocking a combo amp atm. Funds man... funds. The second I start playing shows again I'm going to create a tower of doom.

[thombo]

Originally Posted by beebassdude

thats why its smarter to play with 16x12, 12x12, and 8x15s. duh!

spoken like a true Hasheeshian.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

Stage space is more of an issue around here than car space or anything else. Especially if the headlining bands have their backline/drums set up already, often you're stuck jamming into a narrow 4' deep stage where the singer can barely stand in front of the drums.

I notice that every time you guys play, Dave's cab is set back farther away from him, and Joe's cab is usually in line with and directed in front of the drums. You outta just switch Dave and Joe and their rigs.. use Joe's cab as the drum monitor and depend on soundman to bring his guitar to FOH and vocal monitor. You may not like being so far away from that Matamp cab though, or you'll have to get used to listening to the singer monitor. I get that its hard to set Joe's rig up exactly how you want for stage monitoring and still have your cab in a good place. FWIW the mix out front always sounds good, so you're pretty free to rearrange yourselves on stage however works.

Thanks for the input Nick. Helps that you've seen us a few times haha.

Originally Posted by thombo

well there's your problem! get louder!

That's not the problem. That would imply that there is something else drowning out the guitar, which is not the case. For a band with 1 bass cab and two half stacks for guitar, we're incredibly freaking loud. That's the first thing everyone says. Was the same in Billows, with both guitarists only having half stacks. You don't need full stacks to make ears bleed.

Originally Posted by bassboysam

No one should ever take queues from a guitarist

They should when he's basically the only one playing, and leading into the next part of a song.

[Ancient Tone]

Laz, if he's running a half stack he still has an open speaker out on his amp. Tell him to pick up one of these, its pretty much designed for exactly what your looking for.

http://www.avatarspeakers.com/Pro%20Monitors.htm

It's a 2x12 guitar monitor, it won't make him louder to the crowd but he can place it next to the drummer with no ill consequence. Plus its angled, small and light so it won't bog you guys down like an extra 4x12 might.

[ampegfuzz]

Originally Posted by beebassdude

i dont think weve ever had a venue tell us no to the amount of gear we've had. some you can tell dont "get it" and think its silly, but we've never been told no. id be pissed if a club tried to dictate what we do or do not put on stage.

so un-doom lol.

Of the venues that have had us so far one was full rig, one was half rig and DI, and one was half rig and V4b cranked instead of SVT. Their are some more places I could take the full rig out but not many.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Laz, if he's running a half stack he still has an open speaker out on his amp. Tell him to pick up one of these, its pretty much designed for exactly what your looking for.

http://www.avatarspeakers.com/Pro%20Monitors.htm

It's a 2x12 guitar monitor, it won't make him louder to the crowd but he can place it next to the drummer with no ill consequence. Plus its angled, small and light so it won't bog you guys down like an extra 4x12 might.

Yeah he already has something similar he could use. I just think there is an alternative to doing that, like changing how we're aligned on stage. But it really comes down to the drummer being forthright about what he can and can't hear before we start our set.

[dozicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by thombo

spoken like a true Hasheeshian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEmnqqFO1Gs

[father of fires]

I almost had a show with Jucifer but my drummer's out of town. We've had to pass on several gigs for perfectly legitimate reasons but I worry that pretty soon people will stop asking

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Yeah he already has something similar he could use. I just think there is an alternative to doing that, like changing how we're aligned on stage. But it really comes down to the drummer being forthright about what he can and can't hear before we start our set.

+1, he needs to let the soundman know what he needs or else it'll cause hell for everyone. He's probably already wearing earplugs and behind a loud kit... moving stuff around it's going to help much unless the cabs are pointing straight at him. Probably less of a volume issue and more of a problem with the guitar's parts getting drowned out from the cymbals.

If he had a monitor at the show, he needs to speak up or else everyone is going to have a bad time, lol.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Yeah he already has something similar he could use. I just think there is an alternative to doing that, like changing how we're aligned on stage. But it really comes down to the drummer being forthright about what he can and can't hear before we start our set.

Gotcha, everyone should be vocal about what they can and cannot hear on stage, if you dont get a chance at soundcheck then at least after the first song.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Gotcha, everyone should be vocal about what they can and cannot hear on stage, if you dont get a chance at soundcheck then at least after the first song.

Agreed. We stunk up the stage with the punk band I started when I moved here.

I got into those, you only need a combo to gig, crowds when I first joined TB.

Guitarist had a funky 4-10" Marshall cab with a MOSFET Marshall head. I think it was from the 80's... I had a Crate BT100 combo (newer one with tuner on top). Drummer could not hear us at all. I'm sure we sounded really bad. No one could hear anyone else and when we asked the sound man for more monitor, I think he turned them off... They sound checked the touring band, with half stacks and an 8-10" ampeg rig. Of course, our crappy gear did not compete and the set was a train wreck.

Hopefully with 4-15's and 1100 watts, I won't have the same problem. I wish the guitar player's head would either quit wrking or get louder. It sounds like it's limping right now (volume is low), and I have a feeling it's going to crap out on stage...

[mc_muench]

So I decided to reconnect with one of my old band mates last night, texts got jumbled up and I thought he was having a kid, he's not, but that's not why I'm telling you this, I'm telling you because the guy says rock is dead. And all we have now is "crappy" indie pop stuff...I guess I'll have to show him the light, er, the darkness, by crushing his radio rock loving soul, and building him up into a doom machine. That guy has a lot of amps and cabs, so he's halfway there.

[dozicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

So I decided to reconnect with one of my old band mates last night, texts got jumbled up and I thought he was having a kid, he's not, but that's not why I'm telling you this, I'm telling you because the guy says rock is dead. And all we have now is "crappy" indie pop stuff...I guess I'll have to show him the light, er, the darkness, by crushing his radio rock loving soul, and building him up into a doom machine. That guy has a lot of amps and cabs, so he's halfway there.

He could be easily swayed

[mc_muench]

I figure first step, bring him to a practice.

Step 2, make him watch Such Hawks Such Hounds, the movie that got this doom ball rolling for me. After i watched it it was like some turned a light switch and turned up the volume. Cause I was hooked, I knew exactly what I wanted to do, buy more speakers.

Step 3...

Step 4, profit from making him into a fellow doomer

[beebassdude]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

Of the venues that have had us so far one was full rig, one was half rig and DI, and one was half rig and V4b cranked instead of SVT. Their are some more places I could take the full rig out but not many.

i refuse to do DI at this point, just a waste of time with all the stuff i have. we're also gonna make sure venues dont try and mic our cabs anymore, as its usually a volume disaster lol.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

So I decided to reconnect with one of my old band mates last night, texts got jumbled up and I thought he was having a kid, he's not, but that's not why I'm telling you this, I'm telling you because the guy says rock is dead. And all we have now is "crappy" indie pop stuff...I guess I'll have to show him the light, er, the darkness, by crushing his radio rock loving soul, and building him up into a doom machine. That guy has a lot of amps and cabs, so he's halfway there.

Ask him when rock died. If he says anything about Sabbath or Zeppelin, you got him.

[ampegfuzz]

Originally Posted by beebassdude

i refuse to do DI at this point, just a waste of time with all the stuff i have. we're also gonna make sure venues dont try and mic our cabs anymore, as its usually a volume disaster lol.

I tried to play ball and bring the v4b the second time i played the DI gig and still got told to turn down. Rwake played there and they had like 7 or 8 cabs on stage and were quiet. Just one of those venues I have to play ball if I want to open for touring acts.

[demon666]

Originally Posted by jasohall

Bah, I already have enough gas for a big rig, don't fuel it! I'm probably one of the few people in this thread rocking a combo amp atm. Funds man... funds. The second I start playing shows again I'm going to create a tower of doom.

You'll be better off grabbing a head and cab instead of a combo. You can always upgrade to a bigger cab and still use the head for a while. Look for used stuff to save some cash.