Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 36 - Old School Death Metal Wannabes

[beebassdude]

Originally Posted by ampegfuzz

I tried to play ball and bring the v4b the second time i played the DI gig and still got told to turn down. Rwake played there and they had like 7 or 8 cabs on stage and were quiet. Just one of those venues I have to play ball if I want to open for touring acts.

7 or 8 cabs and rwake being quiet? that hurts my feelings haha! id like to see them at some point, theyre awesome.

[Road Bull]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Yeah he already has something similar he could use. I just think there is an alternative to doing that, like changing how we're aligned on stage. But it really comes down to the drummer being forthright about what he can and can't hear before we start our set.

Maybe look into having him pick up some in-ear monitors and a little mixer. That way he could have a little monitor mixer that he can adjust levels to. I play drums, and when I played across a stage with two guitars and a bass, someone will always fall off volume wise. Some stages will not allow for the mystical amp Tetris that allows everyone to be heard equally. And some rooms swallow up certain frequencies more than others.

[Lazarus.Bird]

New Clutch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aehbcm5CLi0

[mc_muench]

I've never encountered problems of hearing other people in a three piece, if anything the drums get drowned out once in a while. Also vox.


I still dont know any of the lyrics to our songs...our PA sucks!

[Lazarus.Bird]

New Wo Fat kicks ass. Gonna have to grab it on vinyl.

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by demon666

You'll be better off grabbing a head and cab instead of a combo. You can always upgrade to a bigger cab and still use the head for a while. Look for used stuff to save some cash.

Already have the combo but yeah that's the plan. There's been a few 2x15s floating around on craigslist here that no one seems to want. Working on my pedal board next then probably working on amps then basses. Just shelled out for a pa recently so I'm pretty tapped until I pay off that bill. All this and our band still needs a singer, lol :/.

Have a guy that wants to try out that was supposed to come out tonight but the drummer broke his wisdom tooth and has to have that taken out. Trying to work on my patience....

[mc_muench]

What type of combo do you have? There's some out there that are actual heads with speaker attached to them and all you would need is just an extension cab like those GK 1001RB combos. The 15" combo with another GK 15" would be a pretty cool.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Btw, talked to a local one-man studio that seems like it would be a good fit for us. He's thinking around $1400 for a full length for recording, mixing and mastering. Sounds a little more in our ball park lol.

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

What type of combo do you have? There's some out there that are actual heads with speaker attached to them and all you would need is just an extension cab like those GK 1001RB combos. The 15" combo with another GK 15" would be a pretty cool.

TC Electronic BG 250. Sounds great by itself, but no speaker out. Drummer says he hears me just fine and it gets loud enough to shake my glass table... but this is practice. Was perfectly happy with it until I started hanging out in the doom thread.

Oh, I have an old EMC 15" 200ish (I think) watt combo with a speaker out extension too that my drummer got off his uncle and has been donated to me. Problem with that one is the guy ruined the speaker and it doesn't have one right now. I could just use the extension on it but I'm debating whether to fix it or not. He even cut the wires coming from the amp so it'd need some fixing. It's a cool old ported bass combo amp with only a few knobs and I think it's all real wood. Heavy as sin and it doesn't even have a handle...

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Btw, talked to a local one-man studio that seems like it would be a good fit for us. He's thinking around $1400 for a full length for recording, mixing and mastering. Sounds a little more in our ball park lol.

Yay! More Supervoid awesomeness!

[father of fires]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Btw, talked to a local one-man studio that seems like it would be a good fit for us. He's thinking around $1400 for a full length for recording, mixing and mastering. Sounds a little more in our ball park lol.

Sounds like a OK deal but don't let the guy who records you master you as well. He's too close to be objective.

Have you heard any of his output?

[mc_muench]

Just did a quick search of EMC, old 60's and 70's SS stuff...me likey, I would definitely be getting one of those $27 15's that toastfuzz got, and seeing how it that thing sounds. I'm running 200 watts right now with my 415's and thats plenty loud with VEGA.

OR you could go as far as taking the EMC head out of the combo and making a simple case for it, then you can connect it to a used 215, what have you.

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Btw, talked to a local one-man studio that seems like it would be a good fit for us. He's thinking around $1400 for a full length for recording, mixing and mastering. Sounds a little more in our ball park lol.

Do yourself a favor and get it mastered separately, by a professional mastering engineer. I've used Carl Saff for my last few projects and he does excellent work across a lot of different genres. Seriously, I could type out a 1,000 word essay about why bands should get proper mastering done on their albums. Generally speaking professional mastering engineers usually also record and mix, but even they rarely or never master things they recorded and mixed. For no other reason than having a fresh pair of ears on the project, if you don't buy that there's a craft to mastering that's different than mixing beyond making it loud (there is). It's one of my top 5 rants.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Well, because of the way the EP was recorded, we didn't have any choice BUT to let the recording engineer to the mix and master.

And yeah, he's done some other stuff that sounds quite good, and seems to understand where I'm coming from. Hasn't really done anything like us, but then again, there's not too much out there that IS like us haha.

Thanks for the advice Corey. Definitely something to keep in mind. I don't think he gave me a recording-only price. I'll have to ask.

In your opinion, what's the difference between mixing and mastering? I always thought mastering was the easy part... kind of a "we want these pieces put together to form this puzzle, and we wrote these songs so we know what that puzzle looks like" kind of thing. What am I missing?

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Well, because of the way the EP was recorded, we didn't have any choice BUT to let the recording engineer to the mix and master.

And yeah, he's done some other stuff that sounds quite good, and seems to understand where I'm coming from. Hasn't really done anything like us, but then again, there's not too much out there that IS like us haha.

Thanks for the advice Corey. Definitely something to keep in mind. I don't think he gave me a recording-only price. I'll have to ask.

In your opinion, what's the difference between mixing and mastering? I always thought mastering was the easy part... kind of a "we want these pieces put together to form this puzzle, and we wrote these songs so we know what that puzzle looks like" kind of thing. What am I missing?

if you want good but cheap mastering done let me know. I'm sure I can get you a good deal with the guy that mastered ours.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Are you guys referring to mastering as everything done after recording, or are you considering mixing and mastering two separate processes?

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Just did a quick search of EMC, old 60's and 70's SS stuff...me likey, I would definitely be getting one of those $27 15's that toastfuzz got, and seeing how it that thing sounds. I'm running 200 watts right now with my 415's and thats plenty loud with VEGA.

OR you could go as far as taking the EMC head out of the combo and making a simple case for it, then you can connect it to a used 215, what have you.

Hmm, where are these super cheap 15s... I musta missed that one. Link? Was thinking of fixing the wiring if I can open it up... can't believe he frigging cut the wires. Could get it wired up with the new speaker and put a handle on it then add an extension cab... might be cool. I looked into the amp, they used to make them in ohio hand built. I've heard some people say they like them and others say they were the worst amps they've ever heard. Either way I'll fix it up if I can do it cheap enough. In great shape too.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

Do yourself a favor and get it mastered separately, by a professional mastering engineer. I've used Carl Saff for my last few projects and he does excellent work across a lot of different genres. Seriously, I could type out a 1,000 word essay about why bands should get proper mastering done on their albums. Generally speaking professional mastering engineers usually also record and mix, but even they rarely or never master things they recorded and mixed. For no other reason than having a fresh pair of ears on the project, if you don't buy that there's a craft to mastering that's different than mixing beyond making it loud (there is). It's one of my top 5 rants.

This dude knows what he's talking about. Mixing and mastering are two completely different art forms all together, plus they require completely different equipment. I only ever master stuff that i mix if its for personal use, or my solo project. If i get something truly professionally mastered I use Bill Wolf, otherwise i send it to a good friend whose got a decent setup and a good ear for doom. Which happens to be someone you know Laz, Matt Legrow!

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Are you guys referring to mastering as everything done after recording, or are you considering mixing and mastering two separate processes?

i'm talking about mastering after all ther recording and mixing is done.

[mc_muench]

man that link is so gone...like 3 parts ago