Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 36 - Old School Death Metal Wannabes

[JoeVictim]

^ me too, Toast.

[mc_muench]

So I'm still talking to my old band mate and hes still like rock is dead, and weve discussed some things and I want to know how you guys feel...


Why did it go underground? When we play with the same ideals instilled by Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and many others, why dont the "old" people that loved all that rock as people young people dig this new stuff that is basically the same, just progressed through the years. What made them stop finding new bands and put their classics on repeat, with technology, its easier than ever to find new bands.

And will it stay underground? With how many great bands out there, someone has to make a break for it, IE Red Fang has a start. And music goes in cycles, rock came back in the 90's, and the 2000's hit and it feels we went back to the electronic 80's. When will the next revivial be? I'm hoping soon.


So we all can be legends and be talked about how we brought back rock.

[mc_muench]

I feel the radio is to blame somewhat, no one tries to be adventurous any more and find new acts, its all about what can we re-re-re-re-re-re-play to make the most money.

[JoeVictim]

I think it's a culmination of electronic music, the 80's, cocaine, top 40's radio, the disappearance of record stores, the emergence of MTV as a TV station, not a music station (not like I was all into MTV anyways), and hair metal. And of course, thrash blew the **** up so no one was getting into slow and heavy.

YMMV.

It will come back. Ever here the phrase, tear it down to build it up? I think that's what is happening to rock and roll now. Bands like Wolf Mother and The Sword are capturing the old flavor of rock bands past. From the stripped down state, it will continue to grow until we are again at hair metal. Someone should put me down before hair metal re-emerges. Although... isn't that what these new screamo bands are, with their girlish pants and swooping bangs? (that crabcore bull **** you guys were talking about)

[Toastfuzz]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

So I'm still talking to my old band mate and hes still like rock is dead, and weve discussed some things and I want to know how you guys feel...


Why did it go underground? When we play with the same ideals instilled by Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and many others, why dont the "old" people that loved all that rock as people young people dig this new stuff that is basically the same, just progressed through the years. What made them stop finding new bands and put their classics on repeat, with technology, its easier than ever to find new bands.

And will it stay underground? With how many great bands out there, someone has to make a break for it, IE Red Fang has a start. And music goes in cycles, rock came back in the 90's, and the 2000's hit and it feels we went back to the electronic 80's. When will the next revivial be? I'm hoping soon.


So we all can be legends and be talked about how we brought back rock.

Internet is good and bad... if you invest the time to join a usergroup of similarly-minded listeners (such as this very thread) to aid in filtering and weeding out the crap, then yes, the internet is a magical tool.

But theres SOOOO much stuff online now that its a sensory overload to just randomly start listening to things in the hopes of finding something you like. I feel like the last 10 years have largely been full of internet clutter, and its actually harder to find good music because you have to wade through so much sh**.

Then again its better now, to my eyes at least, with tools like Pandora, Last.FM, and Spotify that you give them a bit of input and they process it and give you back things that should match your tastes. I've found tons of new bands through Pandora/Last.FM, and from "related videos" on Youtube.

I dunno. I think people just dont care about music like they used to. I discovered this summer that theres a regular scene of hippy jamband people who know all about the current happenings of hippy jambands that most people just lump into "derivative of Grateful Dead / Allman Bros." The music is all amazingly creative / rocky / funky / etc. but they get minimalized by the general populace as hippy drug bands. Same way our music is often generalized as "metal" and people who don't like metal don't give it a chance. Calling it Stoner Rock doesn't get any browny points either.

[Toastfuzz]

Theres also the fact that "metal kids" (pretty much any local musician who claims to be in a "melodic progressive metal band") poo poo on us for being too slow and un-technical, while rock music fans who grew up with Zeppelin and Sabbath hear loud fuzz / dirty vocals / loud noises and label it "metal". So while we aren't appreciated by the metal crowd, we're not appreciated by the rock crowd either.

Its so subjective even within the genre that its hard to point people in the right directions. For as much as you guys here rave about Graveyard, I've listened through their albums and I wasn't wowwed. Too much pop, not enough heavy.... but then again I love Electric Wizard but dislike most doom. I like Clutch and Red Fang but don't like The Sword. So much of this genre is boring as crap to me, but the bands that hook you are SOO GOOD you can't not listen to em. Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats are a band that made me go "wow I wish I knew about these guys sooner." Same with the Melvins.

I hate to generalize, but if you want to find good music, follow the drugs. You don't see people getting stoned and putting on a Lady Gaga tape do you?

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by father of fires

I want Down level compression on my next album. **** dynamics!

Hey man that is your right. There are some records I dig that have a ton of compression, but when I hear people trying to replicate classic stuff and they compress the heck out of it I think "why are you compressing everything so much they barely used compressors back in the day?"

Steve Albini blames compression as one of the three main pieces of technology that helped to ruin music in the 80s. That was when the first SSL consoles came out that had compression on every channel and people started trying it on everything and as Steve puts it "everything starts sounding like a beer commercial."

The other two things he blames the Roland Jazz Chorus amp because it was the first popular affordable solid state guitar amp and the Linn drum because it was the first drum machine that sounded relatively drum like (he had no problem with drum machines that didn't sound like drums as we know from Big Black).

[mc_muench]

SO I propose We rename the genre...We're the internet, we can do that. Something like "what used to be real rock" rock

[OldCrow]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

So I'm still talking to my old band mate and hes still like rock is dead, and weve discussed some things and I want to know how you guys feel...


Why did it go underground? When we play with the same ideals instilled by Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and many others, why dont the "old" people that loved all that rock as people young people dig this new stuff that is basically the same, just progressed through the years. What made them stop finding new bands and put their classics on repeat, with technology, its easier than ever to find new bands.

And will it stay underground? With how many great bands out there, someone has to make a break for it, IE Red Fang has a start. And music goes in cycles, rock came back in the 90's, and the 2000's hit and it feels we went back to the electronic 80's. When will the next revivial be? I'm hoping soon.


So we all can be legends and be talked about how we brought back rock.

What about the Vines, and the Hives, the Strokes, and any other "the" band from the early 2000s that "brought rock back"? You're right it goes in cycles but we need to break the cycle (great Staind reference...) What made rock so cool was it's lack of ability to be sold or commercialized. GG Allin was right. Until someone captures that it'll be as dumb and stupid as everything else that's commercialized and on the radio and on TV. I mean do you really want to be lumped into that group?

[DethByDoom]

In the case of radio it doesn't help that its mostly pay to play.

"Hey clear channel/whatever city buzz, play this bands new single."

"Sure whatever record label, please refer to last months price list for radio play. "

"You local/unsigned bands… we'll play you at one am on a Monday. Maybe. "

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Why did it go underground? When we play with the same ideals instilled by Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and many others, why dont the "old" people that loved all that rock as people young people dig this new stuff that is basically the same, just progressed through the years. What made them stop finding new bands and put their classics on repeat, with technology, its easier than ever to find new bands.

The thing about a lot of heavier bands who sound somewhat like those classic bands is they don't get the balance right. Even the bands that came right after. Saint Vitus focuses too much on the riff and not the whole song.

Don't get me wrong I love St Vitus and a lot of these bands but I think they are cool because they did follow a particular path. However, that path is not always the most popular one.

Red Fang has the potential to be hugely popular because the are very heavy but they write music that is palatable to a much larger audience. I could see them being the next band on modern rock radio (does that still exist?). My last band was about the idea can we make really heavy music that chicks will dig as well. Not sure if they would have because we broke up right before we were going to start playing shows.

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by OldCrow

What about the Vines, and the Hives, the Strokes, and any other "the" band from the early 2000s that "brought rock back"? You're right it goes in cycles but we need to break the cycle (great Staind reference...) What made rock so cool was it's lack of ability to be sold or commercialized. GG Allin was right. Until someone captures that it'll be as dumb and stupid as everything else that's commercialized and on the radio and on TV. I mean do you really want to be lumped into that group?

I write for a music blog and my boss asked me to cover the Hives show. I did it as a favor to him. You guys are all going to laugh at me but they were unbelievable. I mean sure they are just ripping off the Stooges but they do it so well and they are such good performers and players. The funny thing is I actually saw Iggy and the Stooges a couple years back and the Hives were better than them (I doubt they were better than Iggy back in the day of course).

[OldCrow]

Originally Posted by Tractorr

The thing about a lot of heavier bands who sound somewhat like those classic bands is they don't get the balance right. Even the bands that came right after. Saint Vitus focuses too much on the riff and not the whole song.

Don't get me wrong I love St Vitus and a lot of these bands but I think they are cool because they did follow a particular path. However, that path is not always the most popular one.

Red Fang has the potential to be hugely popular because the are very heavy but they write music that is palatable to a much larger audience. I could see them being the next band on modern rock radio (does that still exist?). My last band was about the idea can we make really heavy music that chicks will dig as well. Not sure if they would have because we broke up right before we were going to start playing shows.

Why would you even want that? The cool thing about this genre is that you kind of have to earn the ability to listen to it, it isn't accessible to/for everyone and everyone has a rite of passage to get here. That would be like opening the flood gates to a bunch of 13 year olds at Sleep shows wearing their fresh Sleep hoodies.

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by OldCrow

Why would you even want that? The cool thing about this genre is that you kind of have to earn the ability to listen to it, it isn't accessible to/for everyone and everyone has a rite of passage to get here. That would be like opening the flood gates to a bunch of 13 year olds at Sleep shows wearing their fresh Sleep hoodies.

Unfortunately I think it is the truth. I just saw them a couple weeks ago and there were as many hipsters there (real hipsters mind you not metal hipsters) as there were metal/doom guys.

I am not saying I want this but I have seen them mentioned on sports blogs more than once. They are kind of a BRO band already.

[DethByDoom]

There's a reason cover bands do so well. People like comfortable and familiar music. 80% of people need to be spoon fed new music.

If we get asked our genre we just say Texas rock. Gets less blank stares or "what's that?" Simple and familiar. I think 5% or less have ever even heard of doom. Stoner… 30%?

[beebassdude]

Originally Posted by OldCrow

What about the Vines, and the Hives, the Strokes, and any other "the" band from the early 2000s that "brought rock back"? You're right it goes in cycles but we need to break the cycle (great Staind reference...) What made rock so cool was it's lack of ability to be sold or commercialized. GG Allin was right. Until someone captures that it'll be as dumb and stupid as everything else that's commercialized and on the radio and on TV. I mean do you really want to be lumped into that group?

please refrain from using nu metal cliches. Davis already posted nu madlibs on my page earlier this morning.

[father of fires]

So I went with the Verizon Triple Play for $79. I upgraded to a DVR for another $16 because freedom means nothing if you're a slave to regular programming.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by father of fires

So I went with the Verizon Triple Play for $79. I upgraded to a DVR for another $16 because freedom means nothing if you're a slave to regular programming.

Add on an extra 40-50$ in fees and fines they dont tell you about, they roped me in and then decided not use the lube when they fvcked me....

[dunwichamps]

i just wanna go home and work on my 1 knob fuzz already

[Tractorr]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

Add on an extra 40-50$ in fees and fines they dont tell you about, they roped me in and then decided not use the lube when they fvcked me....

Yeah there will be a bunch of taxes and stuff. Plus look at the fine print, that is probably the price for the first 6 months.