Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 37: Ancient Alien Fuzz - Page 46

mc_muench · #**901** 12-05-2012, 09:08 AM

Toast fuzz, I listened to them last night, before you even posted them here

Passive sounds better, id just ad a second jack straight from the pup and call it a day.

I could just use a looper, but then id have to up the beat every time, and my mouth isnt even coorodinated enought to keep a beat.

sledz · #**902** 12-05-2012, 09:09 AM

BTW.
As I have no chance to try more than a couple of Ricks in my area, I must ask about. 4001 are famous for their throaty and gritty sound, 4003 seems to have more solid, low end tone. AFAIK the main difference is neck width, truss-rods and hotter pickups in 03. What are your feelings? Would I get close to Al's thick tone on Dopesmoker more or less with a 4001? I have early 70's copy and it's definitely Squire's type of sound but anyway I find it usable for my playing... but wonder how to get close to that thick Dopesmoker's tone. Maybe early 4003s are fair choice? Please don't tell me about amps and his technique...

Toastfuzz · #**903** 12-05-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus

Like an HM-2....

Or more like Aguilar Agro type thing?

I've always lumped the Aguilar Tone Hammer, Tech21 VT Bass / Bass Driver, Tronographic Rusty Box, Fuzzrocious Broke Dick into that category of grindy preamps. Any can be used as a simple overdrive / toneshaper pedal but also double as a pre, and most can be modded with XLR's if thats your bag. Heard good things about the Broke Dick but the RB keeps me happy so no need.

mc_muench · #**904** 12-05-2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Holy smokes FS: 1991 Rickenbacker 4003 Fretless Red w/black with perfect case

SOOOOOO HAWT.

mc_muench · #**905** 12-05-2012, 09:16 AM

Sam, my Eclipse preamp gets really grindy, something to definitly check out. I was going with the eclipse or the rusty box, I'm glad I took the risk on the unknown company and got the Eclipse.

rafst29 · #**906** 12-05-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by sledz

BTW.
As I have no chance to try more than a couple of Ricks in my area, I must ask about. 4001 are famous for their throaty and gritty sound, 4003 seems to have more solid, low end tone. AFAIK the main difference is neck width, truss-rods and hotter pickups in 03. What are your feelings? Would I get close to Al's thick tone on Dopesmoker more or less with a 4001? I have early 70's copy and it's definitely Squire's type of sound but anyway I find it usable for my playing... but wonder how to get close to that thick Dopesmoker's tone. Maybe early 4003s are fair choice? Please don't tell me about amps and his technique...

Al picks up near the neck, sometimes even on the fretboard. That can make for a meaty tone with the neck pickup on. Give that a try.

Whoops, sorry just read that you didn't want to know about technique. My bad. Try this out as you are test driving your Rics though.

sledz · #**907** 12-05-2012, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rafst29

Al picks up near the neck, sometimes even on the fretboard. That can make for a meaty tone with the neck pickup on. Give that a try.

I asked...

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Originally Posted by sledz

Please don't tell me about amps and his technique...

I know how to play and setup bass guitar to reach some tones but don't know how old Rick I should choose. Probably most sexy one on the market?

mc_muench · #**908** 12-05-2012, 09:24 AM

Thats a good question does Al use a 4001 or 4003?

We know what Dixie uses...

rafst29 · #**909** 12-05-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sledz

I asked...

I know how to play and setup bass guitar to reach some tones but don't know how old Rick I should choose. Probably most sexy one on the market?

Haha. Sorry again. I hate when people do what I just did. (Answer the question before reading the whole thing)

JoeVictim · #**910** 12-05-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by mc_muench

Thats a good question does Al use a 4001 or 4003?

We know what Dixie uses...

4003

mc_muench · #**911** 12-05-2012, 09:51 AM

There you go Sledz, get a 4003.

DeadByDawn · #**912** 12-05-2012, 09:57 AM

According to Bass Guitar Magazine, Al's bass is a 2001 Ric 4003. He uses Rotosound Strings. http://www.greenamps.com/al-cisneros-om.html

dunwichamps · #**913** 12-05-2012, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

So what exactly is that Wizard Fuzz? Is it a muff or something else?

high gain fuzz/dist. It has circuit ideas from all over. Has 2 muff style clipping stages, along with FET, JFET, BJT boosters and buffers to drive a 2 band EQ (baxandall). Extremely high gain

DeadByDawn · #**914** 12-05-2012, 10:04 AM

I've been using a Fulltone Bassdriver/Big Muff Bass/BlueBeard into a GK. Sustain for days..... I just purchased my holy grail - Acoustic 370 and I want to use the natural tone of the amp, as it is awesome. The notes decay too quickly. I have a Boss Expander/Compressor but it does something to the tone. I don't like it. Maybe I don;t have the settings on it right? Oh, my bass is a Fender Big Block. Any advice/tips for getting my bass to sustain more or setting to try for the baby blue boss?

Lazarus.Bird · #**915** 12-05-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by dunwichamps

Extremely high

hell yeah stoner thread!

dunwichamps · #**916** 12-05-2012, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

hell yeah stoner thread!

thanks laz.

JoeVictim · #**917** 12-05-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

Morning dudes. Coffee is hitting ze spot today.

So last night I opened up the Ray35 and did some hackin at the stock electronics with my shiny new $14 Amazon soldering iron. Figured out a clean way to disconnect the preamp from the pickup, set up the coils in parallel and wired the hot straight into the output jack. Results were surprising and very satisfying!

http://www.soundcloud.com/toastfuzz/...ive-to-passive

I recorded 3 clips in active mode, then 3 clips in passive: first clean in, then Rusty Box, then Grey Stache -> Rusty Box. Recording direct into PC through M-Audio interface. Fingerstyle in Drop B tuning.

The active clips are parallel mode, max volume, flat EQ (at center detents)

Passive clips are direct pickup to output jack in parallel coil setup.

Pretty surprised the output wasn't any lower in passive mode and the tone was very full range but didn't seem to lose any bass. Definitely has some additional high end as Ancient Tone mentioned a few pages back, but it seems really easy to dial it out at the pedal and amp stages. First impression, I love it because it has the exact Stingray sound I was going after, but without always hearing the preamp kind of squashing it. Seemed no matter how I set the pre, the bass was woofier than I wanted, midrange honkier than I wanted, and treble had a click/envelope effect. Just sounded artificial when cranked up to high volume. The 1-trick-pony passive tone just sounds more... natural I guess. And immediately I found that the Grey Stache and Rusty Box sounded better pretty much any way I set em, where before different settings would be fighting the bass pre.

I started jammin around with a thin guitar pick and the Rusty and it sounded bad-A so I recorded some of that too: bass is pretty nonexistent with that pick I was using.

http://www.soundcloud.com/toastfuzz/...-thin-pick-jam

Smart phone finally worked. Nice job. I like the Passive Ray tone you got going with the adjusted settings on the stache, like you said, the best.

The_Janitor · #**918** 12-05-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadByDawn

I've been using a Fulltone Bassdriver/Big Muff Bass/BlueBeard into a GK. Sustain for days..... I just purchased my holy grail - Acoustic 370 and I want to use the natural tone of the amp, as it is awesome. The notes decay too quickly. I have a Boss Expander/Compressor but it does something to the tone. I don't like it. Maybe I don;t have the settings on it right? Oh, my bass is a Fender Big Block. Any advice/tips for getting my bass to sustain more or setting to try for the baby blue boss?

Are you using flats? I quit using them because the sustain pretty much disappeared after they started getting dull. They just made a sort of thud sound, then nothing. I could fix it with the BBM or ODB-3 to an extent, but trying to play clean didn't work.

demon666 · #**919** 12-05-2012, 10:17 AM

Ok some bands that I don't see too many people talking about in this thread.

Teeth of the Sea
Nebula
Sons of Otis
Wo Fat
Battles ( not stoner but badass)
Astroqueen

Check them out.

DeadByDawn · #**920** 12-05-2012, 10:23 AM

I'm not. I use SIT power wound strings. I tried my regular P bass and the same thing happened. I was running straight in to the 370 (just the tuner pedal). I'm wondering if I'm just used to the unnatural sustain of the fuzz Boxes? I'm not looking for any clean tones at all. I like the grind of 370 and need to ring out more. DOD 250 to overdrive the amp maybe? BTW, flats feel so good on the fingers. I wish I could use them.