Stoner/DOOM Bassists thread part 38: The Father, The Son, and The Holy Smoke.

[LOCOPELAND]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

Link? Or could you let me know if they're stopping in Pittsburgh?

It's a 12 day west coast run starting here I'm Seattle and ending in San Francisco.

[mc_muench]

So its currently 48 degrees in the warehouse I work in...

[dozicusmaximus]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

So its currently 48 degrees in the warehouse I work in...

That ought to keep ya busy.

[mc_muench]

or just frozen to TB...

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus

Metoolica is on google? Sweet. He just always seems to play heavily inspired Tool or Metallica riffs. Heavily inspired meaning changing a few notes.
I might have to take the reigns. Indeed, I need to center myself.
It's not just one riff though. It's been a constant thing. We'll either figure out a way to make it work or not. But any time I mention putting a riff he wrote with some riffs we wrote he gets weird, like it he doesn't want it to work or something. He then talks about how he likes being different? He's just confusing the sh*t out of me. Which is it dude?
I guess he has a whole song written and doesn't want it changed, fair enough. I was under the impression we were group writing.
But I see what ya'll are saying.
I'll ask him what his goals are and everyone elses.

I'd find out a little more about his background (if you don't know already). Previous bands? Age? Experience? Stage time? I could be off mark here but it sounds like he doesn't have a lot of experience jamming and playing with other musicians. If he's being distant he probably doesn't know what to do with what he's given and rather than struggle is sticking with what he knows. If you want things to work with him, I'd try to relate as much as possible and find some common ground musically and in general. Might be able to break some ground that way. If he closes up or just seems disinterested, then maybe this isn't the right situation for him.

Sorry if any of this gets long winded. I've been dealing with a lot of band stuff lately so this has been pretty huge on my mind. My band's been working well but it's a constant push and pull working with everyone. I'm having fun with it but it gets tiring sometimes. I just hope everything works out and I can see a stage in the near future lol.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by twhitedc

Is that the pedal board contest again? Can I have a link?

The contest threads will be posted later this evening but this is where you'll want to go to find them.

Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus

Yeah, I'm gonna have to lay that out next practice.

I told him what numero uno and I are into. New guy said he was down for whatever... Then he got his drummer buddy to come over, who hasn't played in a few years. So I figured some sludge would be perfect.
Our doomy/sludge/grunge jams are great. New guy does seem distant when we jam though, like he's lost. He's a good guitar player, I'm not sure what the hell his deal is? Maybe he just isn't into it.
I think he's one of those it has to be technical to be good kind of dudes.

We'll get it hammered out. Part ways if needed. He's a great dude and all.



Metoolica is on google? Sweet. He just always seems to play heavily inspired Tool or Metallica riffs. Heavily inspired meaning changing a few notes.
I might have to take the reigns. Indeed, I need to center myself.
It's not just one riff though. It's been a constant thing. We'll either figure out a way to make it work or not. But any time I mention putting a riff he wrote with some riffs we wrote he gets weird, like it he doesn't want it to work or something. He then talks about how he likes being different? He's just confusing the sh*t out of me. Which is it dude?
I guess he has a whole song written and doesn't want it changed, fair enough. I was under the impression we were group writing.
But I see what ya'll are saying.
I'll ask him what his goals are and everyone elses.

From what you've posted he probably has as much doubt about fitting in as you have of him fitting in. Best way to handle it is to have a friendly band conversation and lay out what everyone wants, not what is expected, and see what common ground is there and focus on that as the core. That way the music should spawn out of something everyone will like. But if everyone is under a group writing mentality and he wants to write songs his way start to finish, there might be some complications. Do you guys have any way to record your jams? One really helpful thing i've found is to setup a recorder and try a song numerous times incorporating the different ideas everyone has, different takes with different sounds / riffs / compositions, and then listen back. Sometimes you might be surprised how something you like playing doesnt sound as good when played back, it took me a while to get used to doing that in my new band but its really opened up my eyes as far as fitting things together and how different instruments play different roles.

[dozicusmaximus]

@ Ancient: That's a great idea. I'll have to get a little zoom recorder. Right now its toss the iphone on the floor when we get a nice jam going.
And yes band meeting is coming.

@Jason: I met him in HS right when I started playing bass. He was the kid that could play all the metallica songs and most of the solos. A year younger than me(I'm 28). No real bands that I know of. Jams with buddies here and there. Never played live. He can read music and he practices a lot (areas I'm bad with).
His fav band is Animals As Leaders.
I've showed him a bunch of stuff I listen to, and mentioned that a direction like those bands is what I'm wanting to do. He seems on board. I just gotta pick his brain and see what the deal is. If we write a song and get him to focus on a ripping lead maybe that will make him happy.
Not that I'm light years ahead of him in any aspects. But I've jammed with a good amount of random craigslist people and friends of friends. A few garage things. One band that played 5 shows and recorded a crappy demo. Which is where I met numero uno (who made me pick up bass again because they needed a bass player haha).

Numero Uno and I have played together for 3-4 years and can anticipate each others moves. We are on the same page musically. Which may be intimidating?
We're all relatively young and inexperienced.
I just wanna rock the f*ck out, drink some beer, have fun and bang my head. I'm a man of simple tastes.

[JoeVictim]

He needs to listen to some Matt Pike leads from Hof and Sleep. If he is a shredder, there are plenty of bands that do it the right way in this genre. Hell, show him Sam's band. Monobrow has some ripping, well placed, leads. I know the guitar hero type. My old jam buddy was super into Dime, Satriani, Vai, but he wasn't close to playing like any of them. He decided that Stoner rock, wasn't his bag, even after a brief stint as a drummer. (he pounded the hell out of the drums too. too bad...).

You may never get him into your frame exactly. You might need to have a listening party. Get all your favorite records/riffs together and show him some heavy. Then he can show you what he thinks is heavy. Certainly when two musicians start talking heavy, there is bound to be SOME common ground. If not, move on.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by JoeVictim

He needs to listen to some Matt Pike leads from Hof and Sleep. If he is a shredder, there are plenty of bands that do it the right way in this genre. Hell, show him Sam's band. Monobrow has some ripping, well placed, leads. I know the guitar hero type. My old jam buddy was super into Dime, Satriani, Vai, but he wasn't close to playing like any of them. He decided that Stoner rock, wasn't his bag, even after a brief stint as a drummer. (he pounded the hell out of the drums too. too bad...).

You may never get him into your frame exactly. You might need to have a listening party. Get all your favorite records/riffs together and show him some heavy. Then he can show you what he thinks is heavy. Certainly when two musicians start talking heavy, there is bound to be SOME common ground. If not, move on.

Wino is another good one.

[mc_muench]

Laz, just watched all the live vids, KILLER!!!

[dozicusmaximus]

I show him at least 2-3 new bands every practice after the drummer goes to work...

He seems concerned with a band names, album names, videos, touring and stuff like that.
Numero Uno noticed he doesn't join in on the rhythm very much. I see him counting it out. Most his ideas are leads and noodley doodleys, which is great because numero uno is a strong rhythm player and isn't great with solos.

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Laz, just watched all the live vids, KILLER!!!

Indeed. I liked it on the bookface.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Laz, just watched all the live vids, KILLER!!!

Yep, my drummer does know your guitar player. What a small world...

He was like, oh, I didn't know he moved. That dude can party. lol.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by dozicusmaximus

I show him at least 2-3 new bands every practice after the drummer goes to work...

He seems concerned with a band names, album names, videos, touring and stuff like that.
Numero Uno noticed he doesn't join in on the rhythm very much. I see him counting it out. Most his ideas are leads and noodley doodleys, which is great because numero uno is a strong rhythm player and isn't great with solos.



Indeed. I liked it on the bookface.

I might be jumping the gun, but it doesn't sound like this dude is going to work out...

[mc_muench]

So Marcus Miller uses a Bluebeard...MOOSE CALL!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=is0SGbUTh20

@5:00

[Lazarus.Bird]

Thanks guys!

And that Marcus Miller clip is awesome hahaha

[mc_muench]

Originally Posted by JoeVictim

Yep, my drummer does know your guitar player. What a small world...

He was like, oh, I didn't know he moved. That dude can party. lol.

Yeah, I've heard stories from him...I'm glad he moved though, he is too. When his mom came to visit she sat in on a practice and said that we were his best band yet, a big compliment to me.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

Yeah, I've heard stories from him...I'm glad he moved though, he is too. When his mom came to visit she sat in on a practice and said that we were his best band yet, a big compliment to me.

Grease Machine was a rock n' roll frieght train. If you guys sound better than they did, kudos to you. That is a massive compliment.

[mc_muench]

Grease Machine...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXf80GX6_u8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VK8bVc9TtU

[JoeVictim]

The Drivers in your Full Rig

The disconnect between us and the rest of TB...

I didn't see an option for 4-15" speakers...

When I saw Grease Machine they killed it. Those clips don't do them justice.
Oh well, good guitar player you grabbed up

[OrphicTrench]

This is my first post in a stoner/doom thread, but I think I'm ready.

I'm looking for a fuzz and I think this was the best place to ask, considering the type of music I play. I have a Trace Elliot amp and a 4001 Ric (1979). The amp is good but the bass makes everything much much better. Specially with fuzz.

Right now I use an average bass big muff. I can make it more aggressive if I add some more fuzz/dist on my multi-effect pedal but as it doesn't have true bypass, I prefer not to add it to my circuit.

So yeah, getting to the point... I lost my ****ing chance to buy this beast: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/DISTORTION-FU...#ht_717wt_1082
I ****ing forgot. When I checked later today the bid was over, and I was ready to put way more than the winning bid. I guess I'll have to wait till the seller decides to put it for bidding once again (I'm not going to pay 250$ for it).

So now I'm wondering again whether to go for something else or to wait until I'm sure what I want.

Here's a small list of the fuzz pedals that interest me (in order):
1. Iron Pig
2. Dunwich Amps Wizard Fuzz
3. Megalith Fuzz
4. Earthbound Supercollider
5. Zvex Fuzz Factory

I know, most of them are 200$ and up but that's the whole point of my post. Should I wait? Or should I get a fuzz factory for 70$? Which one is your favorite?