Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread Pt. 44 Magnum.. the big boys.

[dozicusmaximus]

They better be good if they are named after a Hawkwind song.... I'll have to check that out later.

[dunwichamps]

yo folks what are some good stoner/doom record labels?

[Lazarus.Bird]

Record labels?

Small Stone is king imo. So many good releases, and they seem to really support their bands and treat them well.
Ripple Music seems solid. Pretty small roster and they're highly selective with who they get involved with, but Kyle from Mothership said they have been fantastic to work with.
Southern Lord obviously for some sludge and doom.

Then of course there's the bigger mixed labels that have some good bands like Relapse.

Lots of others I'm sure. Are you just looking for some labels to find new music with, or have a friend trying to get on a label?

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Record labels?

Small Stone is king imo. So many good releases, and they seem to really support their bands and treat them well.
Ripple Music seems solid. Pretty small roster and they're highly selective with who they get involved with, but Kyle from Mothership said they have been fantastic to work with.
Southern Lord obviously for some sludge and doom.

Then of course there's the bigger mixed labels that have some good bands like Relapse.

Lots of others I'm sure. Are you just looking for some labels to find new music with, or have a friend trying to get on a label?

local band put out a status asking but seems people covered everything

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

so I'm not crazy

yeah I only notice it at higher volumes. The bass is a lot more clear and punchy and I hear virtually no speaker distortion. My old 810 was struggling at times before I got the HPF. A friend of mine who runs a 7 PRO with an Avatar 212 also noticed a big improvement.

No, you're not crazy, it is subtle though. I'm pretty good at picking out really subtle differences in sound at this point and it was barely noticeable at a really LOUD volume. Which is a good thing, I think. Since it's not really a device that's meant to severely impact your tone, more of a utility. So you have to push your rig that hard to actually hear a difference. I'm glad I have it on my board, for this precise reason. I go out and jam on strange rigs all the time and I use low tunings, thick gauge strings, a high output pickup, lots of pedals and I tend to dig in pretty hard when I play fingerstyle. So a bit of a safety net (to a point) on farting out too easily with some of those lower wattage cabs.

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Cool! I discovered a bunch of new music lately so there is some cool stuff there. I've been debating getting Supervoid on Spotify, but since we'll be re-recording both songs from the EP when we do the full length, I think I'll just wait.

Still curious if I should try an HPF. My speakers don't distort so I still think I wouldn't really benefit from it.

I don't think you'd have any need for it or get any big benefit out of it, if you're always using your current rig. Newer micro amp, high efficiency cab, not much call for a HPF in the mix I'd think. I probably only need mine half the time or less, but I switch between a lot of different rigs.

[e_mann]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

But seriously. Those are 4 Ohm stable right? At minimum you need to big cabs, one for each head. If you could swing it two big 8 Ohm cabs per amp would be even better. Also depending on how you eq, you can eat up your amp's power/headroom pretty quickly. I know no one wants to hear "turn down the bass" but sometimes depending on the EQ points turning down the low lows, and highs will let more power be devoted to the low mids. Low mids are where your "punch" is and will carry you through the mix.

They're rated for 4 ohms. The coliseums I believe are 2, which is sexy. I'm running an ampeg 810 out of one beta and two ported vader 410s out of the other. A lot of 10s. I think I need some 15s in the mix. You definitely have to crank the drive on the betas to get some volume out of those 10s and I lose a lot of lows. I'm always hunting craigslist for cabs. Got my eye on a peavey 215 and an old acoustic 215.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by e_mann

They're rated for 4 ohms. The coliseums I believe are 2, which is sexy. I'm running an ampeg 810 out of one beta and two ported vader 410s out of the other. A lot of 10s. I think I need some 15s in the mix. You definitely have to crank the drive on the betas to get some volume out of those 10s and I lose a lot of lows. I'm always hunting craigslist for cabs. Got my eye on a peavey 215 and an old acoustic 215.

Its not really the driver diameter that is going to net you volume, but the total sensitivity of the cab. The nice thing about 215's is you can some times find them in an 8 Ohm flavor. So you could run 2 per head.

[Toastfuzz]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Still curious if I should try an HPF. My speakers don't distort so I still think I wouldn't really benefit from it.

Your amp+cab+Ric cuts through the mix super well, while keeping a heavy bass presence, and your amp isn't even pushing that hard. Dunno how much subliminal tone improvement you could add with an HPF, but I guess its like the compressor dudes say, "you just don't understand until you use one"?

Originally Posted by Corey Y

Since it's not really a device that's meant to severely impact your tone, more of a utility......So a bit of a safety net (to a point) on farting out too easily with some of those lower wattage cabs.

I came close to experimenting with some compressors/limiters to put a cap on my high end when using whacky filters but never ventured. For what I'm doing now and the janky 15"s I tend to play through, keeping the cabs above fart-level might be more worthwhile. Question for you, would the HPF be best utilized as the last guy on the an effect chain? If it was first I'd expect certain fuzzes, filters, and wah's to add their own low end and ruin it.

If a HPF or compressor could pull some of the mush out of my heavily distorted tone (ie. make fast notes more distinct) then it may be worthwhile to try some out.

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

Your amp+cab+Ric cuts through the mix super well, while keeping a heavy bass presence, and your amp isn't even pushing that hard. Dunno how much subliminal tone improvement you could add with an HPF, but I guess its like the compressor dudes say, "you just don't understand until you use one"?



I came close to experimenting with some compressors/limiters to put a cap on my high end when using whacky filters but never ventured. For what I'm doing now and the janky 15"s I tend to play through, keeping the cabs above fart-level might be more worthwhile. Question for you, would the HPF be best utilized as the last guy on the an effect chain? If it was first I'd expect certain fuzzes, filters, and wah's to add their own low end and ruin it.

If a HPF or compressor could pull some of the mush out of my heavily distorted tone (ie. make fast notes more distinct) then it may be worthwhile to try some out.

you really have to experiment with the placement of it. I have gone back and forth between first in the chain and last. I prefer first as it helps make my pedals sound like they have more headroom. some pedals will add their own low end but since you have cut some of that already it can still help with clarity. If I get an opportunity to snag one cheap I would get it so I can have 1 at the start and one at the end...

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

I came close to experimenting with some compressors/limiters to put a cap on my high end when using whacky filters but never ventured. For what I'm doing now and the janky 15"s I tend to play through, keeping the cabs above fart-level might be more worthwhile. Question for you, would the HPF be best utilized as the last guy on the an effect chain? If it was first I'd expect certain fuzzes, filters, and wah's to add their own low end and ruin it.

If a HPF or compressor could pull some of the mush out of my heavily distorted tone (ie. make fast notes more distinct) then it may be worthwhile to try some out.

I run my board Tuner>HPF>everything else. With my setup it gives me no problems, but a couple of times I have set it up with my guitar board and had to put it last because of some weird interactions with fuzz pedals. I think my vintage Fuzz Face clone was the only one that got wacky. I've run it before my W&C Pickle Pie B, some Muffs and muff clones and had no issues.

[bassboysam]

yeah the only pedal i had an problem with was the Germanium Oxfuzz which does not like buffered signals. no issues with any other pedals though.

[dunwichamps]

yea the oxfuzz hates anything low z in front of it

[demon666]

So does the Megalith. Hence why my tuner goes at the end of my chain. Also it works as a master mute and sends a buffered signal to the amp.

[dunwichamps]

generally FF designs dont like buffers so this one is probably really not liking it.

[Niff]

I am getting a GT200 clone locally made (**** you, shipping!) and am considering getting the HPF-pre circuit built right by the input stage.. although I might just sacrifice the pedalboard space and get the actual HPF box in case I use other rigs. I used a similar device while recording through an Orange AD200B at high volumes and the headroom increase was amazing.

edit: agreed about the buffers - my Bluebeard haaaates having any Boss pedals or similar buffers before it when I am running it at low tone/sustain settings.

[demon666]

Headroom schmedroom. Get that **** dirty and blown out.

[Toastfuzz]

Hmm thanks for the feedback on that. I may try a compressor first to see if I like how it reacts, dunno.

By the way, just impulse bought a 1500 watt mixer. Hope its not a turd.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Didn't notice a difference with my Bluebeard between my TU-2 being in front or behind.

[dunwichamps]

Matamps already have HPFs built into them, the Depth is an adjustable HPF control

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

local band put out a status asking but seems people covered everything

Here are all the labels that All That Is Heavy distributes.

Distributed Record Labels

Aquatalan
Arclight
Astral Projection
At a Loss
Bad Afro
Barbarian
Brainticket
Buzzville
Burning World
Chrome Peeler
The Church Within
Crusher
Cyclopean
Dias de Garage
Doomentia
Electric Earth
Elektrohasch
Emetic
Forcefield
Fuzzorama
Headspin
Heavy Birth
Hydro-Phonic
I Hate Records
Instrospection
Kreation
Kult of Nihilow
Land O Smiles
Lexicon Devil
Longfellow Deeds
Lyderhorn
Magic Lady
MeteorCity
Mid-to-Late
Molten Universe
Nasoni
Night Tripper
Orca Wolf
Original Sound
Outlaw Recordings
Parasitic
Profound Lore
Prosthetic
Razorback
Record Heaven
Relapse
Rise Above
Roadburn
Robotic Empire
Rockadrome
Saw Her Ghost
Setalight
Seventh Rule
Small Stone
Southern Lord
Sulatron
Supernatural Cat
Tee Pee
Transubstans
Valley King
Venture Capital
Volcom