Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread Pt. 44 Magnum.. the big boys.

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by father of fires

The only comment I would have is that James and Bax aren't the same thing. But I know you know that.

They seem to be synonymous to most people but they function completely differently.

But there's no need to muddy up a very informational post.

Thanks for putting in the work.

Is it worth mentioning the tone stack calculator?

yea I could explain that the particular stack I am showing is a James but at this point its just a semantic thing.

I could mention Duncan's Tone Stack Calc

[The_Janitor]

Holy ****, might have a chance to meet Geezer Butler at Namm!

[mc_muench]

Father of the Undergroove, ever laying down the groove for the Lord of the Riff.

[Lazarus.Bird]

That's nuts! I always wondered how into gear some of the most famous bassists are. I imagine most of their career has been spent playing gear they're paid to play (not that I'm insinuating there's anything wrong with that). I just wonder how much "tone searching" you do when you're not cycling gear much.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

That's nuts! I always wondered how into gear some of the most famous bassists are. I imagine most of their career has been spent playing gear they're paid to play (not that I'm insinuating there's anything wrong with that). I just wonder how much "tone searching" you do when you're not cycling gear much.

He's going to be in the Hartke booth, I know he has an endorsement deal with them. I also have an ad for the Ampeg SVT-CL with Geezer on it...

I get the feeling that he knows what he likes and doesn't chase tone like some of us folks...

[mc_muench]

Hartke should bring a hydrive 2x15 to NAMM, that would be cool.

[mc_muench]

The can only be one meat named preamp!!!

Matamp Bass Preamp!

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

The lower the pot value the more high end roll off i.e; a 250k pot will have the least amount of high end (good for use with single coil pickups which are very bright), 500k will have a decent amount of high end (primarily used for humbuckers and darker singles), and 1meg has the most high end content (as close as you can get to plugging your cable straight to your pickup, primarily used for dark / muddy humbuckers and I've found that p-90's love them). I'm not 100% positive on caps and what their values do, Nick might be able to chime in on that. But if you have a muddy sounding bass / guitar the first thing i always recommend is increasing the vole / tone pot values before swapping pickups its cheaper and just as easy, alot of times manufacturers don't even consider pot values and just use the same thing for everything (fender {250k in EVERYTHING} + Gibson {500k in EVERYTHING}) even if the situation doesn't call for it (like the use of 250k pots w/ the WRHB in my tele custom, its so dark and muddied with absolutely no high end so this is my next project, upgrading to 1meg pots)

ah whoops haha guess I got my info mixed up. My bad.

[dunwichamps]

So there is a trade off in pot values. there are 2 types of filters being formed. a treble shunt from the pups and the tone cap and a LPF formed by the input of your amp. Assume you plugging straight into the amp no pedals or buffers.

As you increase the pot value, there is less treble shunt at max volume however, if you were to roll your volume down the LPF formed by the input of your amp will be worse.

If you never run your volume down or if you have a treble bright cap on your guitar volume, the 2nd problem will not be an issue or if u always have some kind of buffer on your guitar signal into your amp via a tuner without TB or something else.

[The_Janitor]

Originally Posted by mc_muench

The can only be one meat named preamp!!!

Matamp Bass Preamp!

That thing looks huge. Maybe it's not as big as it looks, but it looks huge.

I clicked the link expecting to be really impressed, but it leaves me kind of cold. Seems like for all the trouble and money spent, the guy could have had a full custom Matamp for not much more money. I don't see the appeal of a Matamp DI/Pre... That's one case where I'd like to have both stages in one head.

[HydrasBreath]

Originally Posted by The_Janitor

That thing looks huge. Maybe it's not as big as it looks, but it looks huge.

I clicked the link expecting to be really impressed, but it leaves me kind of cold. Seems like for all the trouble and money spent, the guy could have had a full custom Matamp for not much more money. I don't see the appeal of a Matamp DI/Pre... That's one case where I'd like to have both stages in one head.

I've seen clips of him and his stuff on youtube. He has an actual Matamp head as well. GT200 I believe.

[Lowest End]

So this Friday is our big show with Gozu and Lord Fowl. And, of course, it's supposed to snow like crazy all day. That's just terrific.

[Lazarus.Bird]

Sucks man. Nothing like terrible weather to kill an awesome show...

[Lowest End]

Indeed.

[Niff]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

The lower the pot value the more high end roll off i.e; a 250k pot will have the least amount of high end (good for use with single coil pickups which are very bright), 500k will have a decent amount of high end (primarily used for humbuckers and darker singles), and 1meg has the most high end content (as close as you can get to plugging your cable straight to your pickup, primarily used for dark / muddy humbuckers and I've found that p-90's love them). I'm not 100% positive on caps and what their values do, Nick might be able to chime in on that. But if you have a muddy sounding bass / guitar the first thing i always recommend is increasing the vole / tone pot values before swapping pickups its cheaper and just as easy, alot of times manufacturers don't even consider pot values and just use the same thing for everything (fender {250k in EVERYTHING} + Gibson {500k in EVERYTHING}) even if the situation doesn't call for it (like the use of 250k pots w/ the WRHB in my tele custom, its so dark and muddied with absolutely no high end so this is my next project, upgrading to 1meg pots)

ha ha, funny you should mention wiring straight to the jack - i was considering putting in a 'bypass' switch somehow that wired the pups straight to the jack, DFA1979 style for some super hot feedbacky sounds.

good info though, cheers fella

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by Niff

ha ha, funny you should mention wiring straight to the jack - i was considering putting in a 'bypass' switch somehow that wired the pups straight to the jack, DFA1979 style for some super hot feedbacky sounds.

good info though, cheers fella

A bypass switch wouldn't be too hard to wire in. Just need one with 1 in 2 out, wire the pickup to the in take one out and wire it directly to the output jack and the other out through the vol/tone pots and then to the same points on the output jack. Since sound will be coming out of only either or and not both you shouldnt have any phase issues.

Thanks!

[dunwichamps]

you could even wire in a bypass to a push pull pot with a DPDT switch

[JoeVictim]

I love it when a Fender player picks up my Carvin and doesn't want to give it back...

of course, I DID get it back.

Sorry about the show, Lowest.

[father of fires]

Back in the land of 2x15's.

Inching ever closer to the land of Music Mans.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by father of fires

Back in the land of 2x15's.

Inching ever closer to the land of Music Mans.

Nice what did u pickup? I'll be back in the land of 2x15's after this upcoming weekend.