Stoner/Doom Bassists Thread Pt. 45: Rule 34: Handwired Gear Pronz

[Lazarus.Bird]

Nice! You will not be disappointed man. I get compliments on my rig every damn show we play.

[Jason Hall]

Originally Posted by Lazarus.Bird

Nice! You will not be disappointed man. I get compliments on my rig every damn show we play.

Except me... I told him it sucked and he should be using Line 6.

[Ancient Tone]

So I have a possibly stupid question....

What's the easiest way to tell the difference between a loose baffle and a blown voice coil in your speakers?

I took a look inside the cab and there was absolutely nothing that looked loose or separated and i double checked the all the screws bolting the baffle in and I put more screws in the back baffle as it was missing some (including the ones that go into the front to back baffle braces) and at low volumes with huge amounts of bass theres no issues but as soon as you start putting some watts through it it becomes very noticeable, and too me it sounds like a blown speaker. It's an awful trashy farty distorted sound and it mainly happens on the low E to A notes, below that and the speakers barely put out anything. If I dial almost all the bass out of the preamp and boost the mids i can get it loud with not much speaker break up but it sounds like poo.

I think I should just bite the dust and order the new speakers (Emi Delta Pro-15A's)...... but I'm gonna take one of the 15's out first and throw it in one of my empty Sunn 1x15's just to make sure its the speaker.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

What's the easiest way to tell the difference between a loose baffle and a blown voice coil in your speakers?

Lay your cab flat and very gently and evenly push the cone down. Can you hear any part of the voice coil rubbing? That would be an indicator that the coil has melted out of shape. Also try a battery test, if one cone doesnt jump, it is blown as well.

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by Jason Hall

Except me... I told him it sucked and he should be using Line 6.

It's all besides the point anyway, since all you really need is a DI, right? Well, maybe a really small combo for practice...if you don't have a PA or at least IEM.

[blendermassacre]

I always start dumb and make sure I swap speaker cables, etc, too. But if it's not that, and you've put the screws back in the baffle and everything is tight there, then it'sgot to be the speaker.

[dunwichamps]

New Pup Day

[Toastfuzz]

Hey.... anybody tryin to get rid of an Oh See Demon by chance?

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Lay your cab flat and very gently and evenly push the cone down. Can you hear any part of the voice coil rubbing? That would be an indicator that the coil has melted out of shape. Also try a battery test, if one cone doesnt jump, it is blown as well.

They are rear loaded speakers the grill cloth is between the cab exterior and the front baffle so I can't push on them while in the cab unfortunately. Would this work if I pull them out of the cab? What is this battery test you speak of? That I could easily do.

Originally Posted by blendermassacre

I always start dumb and make sure I swap speaker cables, etc, too. But if it's not that, and you've put the screws back in the baffle and everything is tight there, then it'sgot to be the speaker.

I tried all of that, different heads, different cables, w/ pedals w/o pedals, different basses and it still did it no matter what.

That's what I thought, the cab is definitely sound and all screws are double checked tight, and i can hear faint speaker distortion when playing quietly so I'm 89% certain its the speakers.

[Samsquanch1972]

To delay or not to delay. I am pretty happy with my pedals, Modtone wah(rarely use, might ditch), Digitech BSW(octave) I love octave may upgrade, Danelectro CTO1 for boost, Pork Loin, Swollen Pickle, Modded ODB-3, Small Stone Phase. Never really messed with delay on bass, just on guitar. Tried a digitech digidelay out and sold it to and went to a simple reverb for the guitar. Kind of wondering if you all use delay a lot or not really. And if so what unit you prefer. Sorry if this is newbie, been trying to search the Stoner Doom forums but there are tons and tons.

[Corey Y]

Originally Posted by dunwichamps

New Pup Day

What are they? For the LP or the V?

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

They are rear loaded speakers the grill cloth is between the cab exterior and the front baffle so I can't push on them while in the cab unfortunately. Would this work if I pull them out of the cab? What is this battery test you speak of? That I could easily do.

If the only way to get at them is through the rear of the cab then yes try that. If there is rub, then the speakers are toast.

The battery test is you connecting a cable to the cab, then touching a 9v battery to the leads on it wire. Both speakers should jump the same way. If they jump in different directions then you have a wiring problem. If one doesnt move, then the VC is toast.

[dunwichamps]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

What are they? For the LP or the V?

LP

Neck is 11.4k, Bridge 15.4k, cermanic mags in the bridge and A5 in the neck, Neck is slug, Bridge is blade

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Toastfuzz

Hey.... anybody tryin to get rid of an Oh See Demon by chance?

depends on how it compares to the BAT Black Forest.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

If the only way to get at them is through the rear of the cab then yes try that. If there is rub, then the speakers are toast.

The battery test is you connecting a cable to the cab, then touching a 9v battery to the leads on it wire. Both speakers should jump the same way. If they jump in different directions then you have a wiring problem. If one doesnt move, then the VC is toast.

You are the man thank you!

[Road Bull]

Originally Posted by Corey Y

Coffee and pervin my preamp pedal pr0n...yumadumdum.

Mark from BNA also emailed me last night to let me know all the parts for my Dually should be ready to assemble in about a week. Looks like this new rig should come together just about in time for when we start recording our demo. So I'll get plenty of quality time to experiment with it and make some good gear demo clips as well.

Nice! I am fighting the urge to do some damage with my tax return. The gear he puts together looks like it means business. I like the idea of burge the dually and the 215 Wide.

I have tapped into a terrible new power. I have the ability to work consistent overtime. My new life's math is like, gee, an OT shift extension = about 1/5 a bass or cab, or one pedal. Ya see where this goes? Who needs sleep right?

I dig my newly acquired BB though. Very heavy! Must have MORE HEAVY!

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Ancient Tone

You are the man thank you!

Its not a definitive test, but it is a good place to start.

Also not being able to put pressure on the baffle makes it hard to determine where a rattle is coming from. If it IS the baffle I would run some music through the cab and get it rattling. Then put pressure with your fingers near the edge and work your way around. See where it is loose.

[Toastfuzz]

Originally Posted by bassboysam

depends on how it compares to the BAT Black Forest.

Well if you want to unload it let me know, I'll pay the going rate. I want to try one just don't feel up to playing the TB Classifieds game, and I'm pretty happy with what I got now, just always lookin for possible Grey Stache replacements or additions.

[Ancient Tone]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Its not a definitive test, but it is a good place to start.

Also not being able to put pressure on the baffle makes it hard to determine where a rattle is coming from. If it IS the baffle I would run some music through the cab and get it rattling. Then put pressure with your fingers near the edge and work your way around. See where it is loose.

I can put pressure on the baffle no problem, its just that I can't take the grill cloth off to get to the speakers while they are mounted in the cab. I'll try both and see whats comes of it, what I'll do is have my guitar player play the notes that really make the noise prominent while I feel out baffle.

[JoeVictim]

Originally Posted by Road Bull

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I dig my newly acquired BB though. Very heavy! Must have MORE HEAVY!

More Heavy? How about BB into El Oso?