sXe Straight Edge Bassists Club(unless there is one already?)

[4stringman]

Originally Posted by LTDVIPER333

I agree totally, you have to be an individual to adopt sXe in the first place. It is a lifestyle choice, but is ultimately up to the individual at the end of the day weather they go as far as full edge or not.

Just waiting for everyone to get of their backsides and reply to my private messages concerning club numbers. Then I can finish this important job.

Im just glad I found that there are alot of people that follow this choice.

and cool deal man, just PM me when you get the numbers ready

Thanks man

[sawgydawg]

I just quit the most higley used and addictive drug in the western hemisphere what does that make me?

[savinggrace]

Originally Posted by sawgydawg

I just quit the most higley used and addictive drug in the western hemisphere what does that make me?

It should make you proud...

[sawgydawg]

good, so I don't need to run around with xXx on my hands and try to dress up to its social norm? I was worried.

[Eilif]

Interesting thread, this.

I was never part of the strait edge scene as a kid, but I found it an easy label to describe my Christian-based abstienence and no-substance preferences in a way that most kids I knew would understand.

I've kept to all of that and even saved myself 'til marriage, but now that I enjoy an occasional drink, I no can longer consider myself at all strait-edge. Not to start trouble but here's my honest question:

Caffine is a hightly addictive, mood altering drug with profound impacts on the circulatory and digestive system.

If the ethics of strait-edge are about self-control, and keeping a clear mind, how am I -with my 2-3 drinks a month, and complete lack of intoxication- less strait edge than the numerous caffine addicts that have been mentioned in this thread as paragons of the Strait-edge ideal?

[savinggrace]

Originally Posted by Eilif

Interesting thread, this.
I've kept to all of that and even saved myself 'til marriage, but now that I enjoy an occasional drink, I no can longer consider myself at all strait-edge. Not to start trouble but here's my honest question:

Caffine is a hightly addictive, mood altering drug with profound impacts on the circulatory and digestive system.

If the ethics of strait-edge are about self-control, and keeping a clear mind, how am I -with my 2-3 drinks a month, and complete lack of intoxication- less strait edge than the numerous caffine addicts that have been mentioned in this thread as paragons of the Strait-edge ideal?

This is a valid point, and why I don't drink coffee. I will have chocolate covered coffee beans once in a while though. However, one distinct difference between the two is that the intoxicating attributes of alcohol produces a whole other dynamic then that of coffee. Both drugs can be harmful for health, but alcohol can impair judgment which causes additional problems over caffeine.

[southshoreconor]

Originally Posted by Eilif

how am I -with my 2-3 drinks a month, and complete lack of intoxication- less strait edge than the numerous caffine addicts that have been mentioned in this thread as paragons of the Strait-edge ideal?

you're not. go ahead and call yourself "straight edge". as was mentioned it's up to the individual how to live their life, and what to call his or herself.

i know my own body. i know that waking up early in a strange motel every day and having a cup of coffee with my drummer is not going to have a negative affect on my body for the rest of my day. i know that i'm not gonna go out and kill someone driving our tour van because i had a cup of coffee or tea from starbucks that morning. again, personal choice.

calling yourself straight edge may be a silly thing for you to do though, so think about your audience. "Hey boss look! I'm coming to work with X's on my hands" "Wash those off and get back to work." Where as I play about 200 shows a year in the punk and hardcore community where the X's on my hands might mean something to someone.

[Eilif]

Originally Posted by savinggrace

Both drugs can be harmful for health, but alcohol can impair judgment which causes additional problems over caffeine.

That's a good point. When taken to extremes the effects of alcohol are far worse than those of caffine. I guess it's just a quirk of the alcohol-never strait edge rule that the one glass of wine with dinner (medically beneficial) is verboten, while the over-indlugence of Caffine (medically harmful) is ok.

I can see the opposite side of the issue, however. When alcohol is so easily abused, I think it can only be a good thing when a group of musicians and fans decide to avoid it completely.

Originally Posted by southshoreconor

you're not. go ahead and call yourself "straight edge"....
...calling yourself straight edge may be a silly thing for you to do though, so think about your audience. "...
... Where as I play about 200 shows a year in the punk and hardcore community where the X's on my hands might mean something to someone.

Thanks, but I don't wish to use the label anymore. It was usefull in high school, but in the neighborhood where I live and work now (west-side of Chicago) X's might be seen as an affiliation of a different kind, and I don't need that kind of complication.

Also, I'm not part of that scene now (or ever really) and wouldn't want to disrespect those who hold strictly to it.

I just wanted to find out what you all thought about the caffine/alcohol issue.

[sonic assassin]

the amount of caffeine it takes to have negative effects on the body is gross. the sort of people that become caffeine addicts go to very extreme lengths to do so. drinking a coke does not make you a caffeine abuser. you can get high on oxygen, does that mean that edge kids should stop breathing? i feel that would be counter productive to the movement.

however ANY and all alcohol (on any level), and any sort of REAL drug use is frowned upon. one can nitpick and spin a story to say that anything on earth can be a mood altering drug. im a hug addict.. they make me happy just like a cigarette would.

it gets silly eventually. ive found that anyone who HONESTLY has to ask these questions is better off not bothering trying to join up. and anyone who takes the line of questioning "can i still do this and be..." "is this against the rules" is typically trying to be part of a group for attention and get around the "rules". these people dont last and sometimes get their heads kicked in by people who take themselves entirely too seriously.

in closing, im a hypoglycemic. my blood sugar is constantly low. i DO have negative side effects if i do not have some sort of sugar/carbohydrate in my system. sugar withdraws if you want to call them that. does that make me less straight edge? no.

[savinggrace]

I always hate (d) when straight edge kids don't want to identify as such because they fit outside of the stereotype. I think being different than the run-of-the-mill, but still holding strong convictions, is a positive thing. And if you don't like stereotypes then break them by still being proud and rep the XXX; give it back the individualism it had before it got boxed in to what people think they should wear or act like or listen to because of it. The movement came out of hardcore & punk, but it doesn't -and is not- confined to a certain style of music.

[Frank Tuesday]

Drink or don't drink. Smoke crack or don't. Don't give yourself some special name because you don't. I don't understand defining yourself by what you don't do. Isn't it better to define yourself by what you do?

Why don't we rename this forum "(Not a guitarist, drummer, flautist, pianist, or trombonist)Talk"

Frank (sober for 18 years, and I'm in my mid 30's)

[savinggrace]

Originally Posted by Frank Tuesday

Drink or don't drink. Smoke crack or don't. Don't give yourself some special name because you don't. I don't understand defining yourself by what you don't do. Isn't it better to define yourself by what you do?

Why don't we rename this forum "(Not a guitarist, drummer, flautist, pianist, or trombonist)Talk"

Frank (sober for 18 years, and I'm in my mid 30's)

I understand your point... to a point. I look as SXE as a description of something that one is, defining oneself by what one DOES. I DO lead a healthy life and I DO respect my body and therefore I DO leave intoxicants out of my body, as much as possible (Sometimes I don't eat organic foods). I DO make positive conscious decisions that affect that. I DO stay away from nicotine, alcohol, and other drugs. I DO SAY YES to taking life head on instead of trying to avoid dealing with anxiety or depression through drugs.

Thats not a lot of "dont's", is it?

I DO choose to be sober and I have been for all of my life, because I never bought into trying to fit in with the crowd in the first place. And Oh, and I'm in my mid 30's.

[Deluge Of Sound]

One more question-- how can you guys knock it if you haven't tried it?

[sonic assassin]

Originally Posted by Deluge Of Sound

One more question-- how can you guys knock it if you haven't tried it?

many have. ever met a born again christian? someone in their 50's can make a conscious effort to join the straight edge movement. its not a matter of "never have" its a commitment to "never again".

i emphasize the never..

personally, i made my decision based mostly on those around me and THEIR experiences, often times, that affected me directly. i dont have to shoot myself to decide whether or not bullet wounds are for me. ive never felt like ive missed anything, so im going to stick by my decision.

[sonic assassin]

Originally Posted by savinggrace

I understand your point... to a point. I look as SXE as a description of something that one is, defining oneself by what one DOES. I DO lead a healthy life and I DO respect my body and therefore I DO leave intoxicants out of my body, as much as possible (Sometimes I don't eat organic foods). I DO make positive conscious decisions that affect that. I DO stay away from nicotine, alcohol, and other drugs. I DO SAY YES to taking life head on instead of trying to avoid dealing with anxiety or depression through drugs.

Thats not a lot of "dont's", is it?

I DO choose to be sober and I have been for all of my life, because I never bought into trying to fit in with the crowd in the first place. And Oh, and I'm in my mid 30's.

word. exactly that. only im 20.

[LTDVIPER333]

I watched a documentary on Racist Skinheads in the US, or S**t heads as I like to call them.

Unfortunately one of these nutters happened to be wearing a blue hoddie labled: Straight-Edge xXx, which really p*#$d me off as it plays into the hands of those people who wish to portray the movement as a bunch of intolerant violent fanatics, as we've seen by the large numbers of critics appearing on this controversial thread I started.

I spose at the end of the day in any human organization you will get your share of idiots who use the core ideology to justify violence, but this dosen't mean that a bunch of hardliners will stop me believing in the core values of this movement.

Also the skinheads said their two basic music outlets were "Metal" and "Hardcore". The latter sounded suspiciously like American or Punk hardcore, with its fast beats and rough guitar playing. Wondered if someone can clarify if there is a difference here or not?

[LTDVIPER333]

Up dated/new club numbers on my list, if you want on and I've missed ya please make sure you notify me!

sXe bassist club #20 BigFetus
sXe bassist club #21 Adam the bassist
sXe bassist club #22 Doomandheavy
sXe bassist club #23 metalinthenight
sXe bassist club #24 edcars
sXe bassist club #25 4stringman
sXe bassist club #26 Sifl

[4stringman]

thanks for the number my friend

[5stringbass72]

Originally Posted by LTDVIPER333

I watched a documentary on Racist Skinheads in the US, or S**t heads as I like to call them.

Unfortunately one of these nutters happened to be wearing a blue hoddie labled: Straight-Edge xXx, which really p*#$d me off as it plays into the hands of those people who wish to portray the movement as a bunch of intolerant violent fanatics, as we've seen by the large numbers of critics appearing on this controversial thread I started.

I spose at the end of the day in any human organization you will get your share of idiots who use the core ideology to justify violence, but this dosen't mean that a bunch of hardliners will stop me believing in the core values of this movement.

Yeah, it seems like there's always a few people in any group that give the rest a bad rep. Straightedge is definitely NOT a gang or even an organization, it's a lifestyle.

Please sign me up, I've been Straightedge since the day I was born

[straightedge79]

Please sign me up! xxx