Is there a most hated, yet famous bassist?

[NorCal Dog]

Originally Posted by hbarcat

Joe Walsh a "sell out"?

That's a new one.

hell ya he's a sell out,, isn't he out doing tours with Kenny Chesney,,,, eeewww

alot of these ol' timers after being the big thing for so many years have found themselves with no venues to play their music anymore, or much interest

so what do they do ? they go to nashville

it's sad to see bruce springsteen, kid rock ( even tho he's not over the hill yet ) barry gibb, john waite, robert plant, or joe walsh sell out just to make a few more bucks off of their name


i'll admit that i do indeed like allison krause & union station,,, but there must be a waiting list of these geezers just waiting to do a duet with this chick just to put a few more bucks in their pocket,,,, pathetic imo

[pauldebass]

I've been known to hate myself when i hit a bad note.

[DAcat]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dog

hell ya he's a sell out,, isn't he out doing tours with Kenny Chesney,,,, eeewww

alot of these ol' timers after being the big thing for so many years have found themselves with no venues to play their music anymore, or much interest

so what do they do ? they go to nashville

it's sad to see bruce springsteen, kid rock ( even tho he's not over the hill yet ) barry gibb, john waite, robert plant, or joe walsh sell out just to make a few more bucks off of their name


i'll admit that i do indeed like allison krause & union station,,, but there must be a waiting list of these geezers just waiting to do a duet with this chick just to put a few more bucks in their pocket,,,, pathetic imo

Happy Thanksgiving Norcaldog...On Thanksgiving ,you probably have a "Hella" of alot to be thankful for...because from what you say and from looking at your profile, at your age(just where is that geezer age cut-off line anyway), you must still be writing and performing visionary music(although I wish I knew which recordings those were so I could hear them) after all these years(despite how difficult that is) that people are still buying inspite of the high prices that the music industry charges for CDs and DVDs( and people are not downloading your stuff illegally off the net because they respect you so much as a musician and as a human being), and you must still be filling packed arenas($$$$$), and have so much integrity that you would never play with an artist, that one of your fans wouldn't approve you playing with, and none of this cross-over into other genres of music or changing of styles...you'd keep on playing just exactly what your fans wanted you to(hey-how do you know what they want anyway-that is a cool telepathy trick!). And I assume you're lucky enough that you don't need any more money in your back pocket ...LOL...just playing with you Brother. My assumptions are all probably incorrect .... they are not backed up with any facts and I don't know you or your motives. That is the problem with threads like this one...it can bring out the worst in human nature. For Thanks giving I'll leave this quote..."If you fight with Anger then you are part of the problem...If you fight with Love,then you're part of the solution."...Carlos Santana from the DVD by Herbie Hancock "Possibilities" ***** (Highly reccomended)...PEACE...
DAcat

[NorCal Dog]

Originally Posted by DAcat

Happy Thanksgiving Norcaldog.

"If you fight with Anger then you are part of the problem...If you fight with Love,then you're part of the solution."...Carlos Santana from the DVD by Herbie Hancock "Possibilities" ***** (Highly reccomended)...PEACE...
DAcat

and a Happy Thanksgiving DAcat.

didn't mean to strike a nerve, or to have my statement create that much drama in your world, just stating the obvious imo ( along with others, but sadly it's deemed socially incorrect to state the obvious these days ) there's a couple of artists in nashville that actually penned & recorded a song , ( as you can sing about it, you just cant say it ) alan jackson & george strait called Murder on Music Row http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Vrur_ewM ( it's not the music, but the message that's important )

if the people that i pointed out were session players or hired guns, i wouldn't be wasting the bandwidth, as that's what you do to put food on the table for you & yours.

these are people who have clearly made their mega millions in other genre's for decades, but for some reason need more, & come to nashville to tap a new cash cow with their celebrity. but in doing so, are directly taking the opportunities away from the artists & musicians that have been true to that form for years & decades.

that's a great quote from carlos, as he's a local here in san rafael, but he's had quite a bit of negative press here with the locals. i won't mention it here, as i'm more impressed with peoples true actions, instead of what they profess to the masses.

it's true that the internet does indeed provide anonymity, but i would have no problem with sitting down over a cup of coffee, & having the same discussion, & thank god i live in a country where i can do so, if that's what i choose to do.

as far as these threads bringing out the worst in human nature,, it's just a view nothing more, no small children have been molested & tortured, might wanna try keeping things in perspective

peace

edit, & i hope to get in at least a few more years onstage before my own personal geezerdom kicks in

[Bathead]

Pete Wentz most definitely.

[DAcat]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dog

and a Happy Thanksgiving DAcat.

didn't mean to strike a nerve, or to have my statement create that much drama in your world, just stating the obvious imo ( along with others, but sadly it's deemed socially incorrect to state the obvious these days ) there's a couple of artists in nashville that actually penned & recorded a song , ( as you can sing about it, you just cant say it ) alan jackson & george strait called Murder on Music Row http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NK1Vrur_ewM ( it's not the music, but the message that's important )

if the people that i pointed out were session players or hired guns, i wouldn't be wasting the bandwidth, as that's what you do to put food on the table for you & yours.

these are people who have clearly made their mega millions in other genre's for decades, but for some reason need more, & come to nashville to tap a new cash cow with their celebrity. but in doing so, are directly taking the opportunities away from the artists & musicians that have been true to that form for years & decades.

that's a great quote from carlos, as he's a local here in san rafael, but he's had quite a bit of negative press here with the locals. i won't mention it here, as i'm more impressed with peoples true actions, instead of what they profess to the masses.

it's true that the internet does indeed provide anonymity, but i would have no problem with sitting down over a cup of coffee, & having the same discussion, & thank god i live in a country where i can do so, if that's what i choose to do.

as far as these threads bringing out the worst in human nature,, ,it's just a view nothing more, no small children have been molested & tortured might wanna try keeping things in perspective

peace

edit, & i hope to get in at least a few more years onstage before my own personal geezerdom kicks in

Norcaldog-I really don't want you to take most of what I'm going to say personally , because most of what I'm going to say is genereally directed to this thread in general...and I'm sure I risk being flamed big time, but like you said ...thank God we live in a country where we can do this. However,since I jumped in in here,on your post,I'll also reply to a couple of your points.
Well... if you feel you want to hate someone that you personally don't know, who has not done anything intentionally to harm you, (and several of them are'nt even bass players), when you "have not walked a mile in their moccassins", when you have not had a chance to sit down, talk, get to know them and have a cup of coffee with them first...that is your perogative, and I too, thank God that you and I, live in a country where you can do that . But I'm a very curious person ...and please don't hate me for asking...can I just ask you why you choose to hate.
But you also say that you are more impressed with people's "Actions" instead of what they "profess to the masses". I feel the same way. The people that you say that you hate, I doubt that you really know much about what they really do every day. And if you spent time really knowing them first rather than hating first-you might actually like someont that you thought that you hated. I have lively discussions all day long with all kinds of people every day and love to know whats going on with them, and I really try and understand where they are coming from without judging them, and we really get along well!! When you suspend judgement and get a better understanding of why people do things,or feel things, it gets harder to go around making quick judgements of them. Now I don't presume Norcaldog, that you are a really hateful person, nor the rest of you who have posted on this site, but its a slippery slope.
Norcaldog-I don't go along with the idea that the "obvious", or anything else should be left unsaid or unexplored. In fact, I'm mainly on this thread because I'm interested in how people can justify their hatred of another human being-in this case a bass player...who in most cases they don't even know. Why does this thread interest people? Please tell me(anyone -not just Norcaldog). Hate is a feeling, which can really throw off our objectivity ...its not usually based on good factual evidence, especially this kind of thread.
When Norcaldog said " it's just a view nothing more, no small children have been molested & tortured, might wanna try keeping things in perspective"...I really thought about that , as well as, "it's not the music, but the message that's important ", ....I have seen hatred bring division among people, pitting one against the other, often times only because of misunderstanding and rush to judgement...you may have liked/rather than hated the player above if you'd actually taken the time to get to know him/her. Our country has recently gone to War because of a Rush to Judgement that is bankrupting us morally and economically as well as tipping the world precariously close to a worldwide financial depression as well as increased political turmoil. Our views on hatred subtly affect the attitudes of the children around you-or grandchildren or nephews or neices, and they may soon start to hate as well. Alot of people everyday, mostly innocent "small children have been molested & tortured" and even worse acts are done to others , by the hate of a few-So yeah-I think this is an important topic. THE MESSAGE WE ARE SENDING OUT HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT-To ENCOURAGE HATE!!
Norcaldog, Its ok... You did'nt didn't "strike a nerve," or create any "drama " in my world. I take care of Vets returning from the Gulf wars and Vietnam, children and adults who have been phyiscally and sexually abused sometimes for their entire childhood by some of the "Most Respected" and supposedly "Protective persons" around them, or whose bodies have been ravaged by incurable illnesses and they are dying and there is nothing I or anyone can do about it, or for example people whose lives are changed forever by an accident-for example; someone who just went out for a walk and are struck by a car(who sometimes never even slows down) and are either killed,or they are so maimed and their brain is so scrambled they can never work again, let alone walk again, and some never talk again. So, this is not drama to me, its more like curious play when I'm not working, and hopefully maybe I'll start an interesting discussion, or I'll learn something.
So I respect everyone's decison here-but if what you say is true, that you love to hate so and so because of this and that ....I guess I just don't understand why people still choose to Hate(philosophically-it is a choice)...Peace...DAcat

[NorCal Dog]

Originally Posted by DAcat

Norcaldog-I really don't want you to take most of what I'm going to say personally , because most of what I'm going to say is genereally directed to this thread in general...and I'm sure I risk being flamed big time, but like you said ...thank God we live in a country where we can do this. However,since I jumped in in here,on your post,I'll also reply to a couple of your points.
Well... if you feel you want to hate someone that you personally don't know, who has not done anything intentionally to harm you, (and several of them are'nt even bass players), when you "have not walked a mile in their moccassins", when you have not had a chance to sit down, talk, get to know them and have a cup of coffee with them first...that is your perogative, and I too, thank God that you and I, live in a country where you can do that . But I'm a very curious person ...and please don't hate me for asking...can I just ask you why you choose to hate.
But you also say that you are more impressed with people's "Actions" instead of what they "profess to the masses". I feel the same way. The people that you say that you hate, I doubt that you really know much about what they really do every day. And if you spent time really knowing them first rather than hating first-you might actually like someont that you thought that you hated. I have lively discussions all day long with all kinds of people every day and love to know whats going on with them, and I really try and understand where they are coming from without judging them, and we really get along well!! When you suspend judgement and get a better understanding of why people do things,or feel things, it gets harder to go around making quick judgements of them. Now I don't presume Norcaldog, that you are a really hateful person, nor the rest of you who have posted on this site, but its a slippery slope.
Norcaldog-I don't go along with the idea that the "obvious", or anything else should be left unsaid or unexplored. In fact, I'm mainly on this thread because I'm interested in how people can justify their hatred of another human being-in this case a bass player...who in most cases they don't even know. Why does this thread interest people? Please tell me(anyone -not just Norcaldog). Hate is a feeling, which can really throw off our objectivity ...its not usually based on good factual evidence, especially this kind of thread.
When Norcaldog said " it's just a view nothing more, no small children have been molested & tortured, might wanna try keeping things in perspective"...I really thought about that , as well as, "it's not the music, but the message that's important ", ....I have seen hatred bring division among people, pitting one against the other, often times only because of misunderstanding and rush to judgement...you may have liked/rather than hated the player above if you'd actually taken the time to get to know him/her. Our country has recently gone to War because of a Rush to Judgement that is bankrupting us morally and economically as well as tipping the world precariously close to a worldwide financial depression as well as increased political turmoil. Our views on hatred subtly affect the attitudes of the children around you-or grandchildren or nephews or neices, and they may soon start to hate as well. Alot of people everyday, mostly innocent "small children have been molested & tortured" and even worse acts are done to others , by the hate of a few-So yeah-I think this is an important topic. THE MESSAGE WE ARE SENDING OUT HERE IS VERY IMPORTANT-To ENCOURAGE HATE!!
Norcaldog, Its ok... You did'nt didn't "strike a nerve," or create any "drama " in my world. I take care of Vets returning from the Gulf wars and Vietnam, children and adults who have been phyiscally and sexually abused sometimes for their entire childhood by some of the "Most Respected" and supposedly "Protective persons" around them, or whose bodies have been ravaged by incurable illnesses and they are dying and there is nothing I or anyone can do about it, or for example people whose lives are changed forever by an accident-for example; someone who just went out for a walk and are struck by a car(who sometimes never even slows down) and are either killed,or they are so maimed and their brain is so scrambled they can never work again, let alone walk again, and some never talk again. So, this is not drama to me, its more like curious play when I'm not working, and hopefully maybe I'll start an interesting discussion, or I'll learn something.
So I respect everyone's decison here-but if what you say is true, that you love to hate so and so because of this and that ....I guess I just don't understand why people still choose to Hate(philosophically-it is a choice)...Peace...DAcat

wow,, very interesting,, let me say that i'm not taking this as a personal attack, but if you keep putting your own personal spin on everything i say, i may reconsider,

i have not once said i've hated anybody, as i don't, so don't label me as such just because i myself jumped into a thread & made a statement about what's going on in nashville

you obviously didn't listen to the link to the song i provided, & the message in the song... it's a very simple song with a very simple message that a child would understand,, what here are you not getting ? this is the ONLY point i was trying to make here,,, you've taken this to a level that i will not give my energy to

i do see a disturbing trend lately in this country that if you have a different point of view, or a different perspective as some entity or person trying to sell you a bill of goods, or ideal,, you're quickly , ( like lightning fast ) dinged a hater,, driving that point home over & over & over, & shouted from the rooftops,, that dear sir is so effed up

i mean seriously,,, count how many times you typed in the word hate in your last post,,, then sit down & seriously give some deep thought as to whom is giving energy to the exact entity or energy that you yourself hate. ( your findings might surprise you )

you cant spread universal love by giving more power to the exact opposite in your posts,,, doesn't work like that

[NorCal Dog]

let me say i like,

joe walsh -- loved his work in the '70s & with the eagles
bruce springsteen -- & the e street band
kid rock -- ehh
barry gibb -- and his brothers, rip maurice
john waite -- loved the baby's
robert plant -- i mean who doesn't love zepplin

but i'd like to add that i do not care for what they're doing in nashville, as they are directly taking away opportunities & food off of the tables of musicians & artists that have been true to the form, so i won't support it with my hard earned dollar..... & i have the right in this country to speak of it from time to time.

the above statement does not, repeat, does not mean that i hate these people

[DAcat]

Originally Posted by NorCal Dog

let me say i like,

joe walsh -- loved his work in the '70s & with the eagles
bruce springsteen -- & the e street band
kid rock -- ehh
barry gibb -- and his brothers, rip maurice
john waite -- loved the baby's
robert plant -- i mean who doesn't love zepplin

but i'd like to add that i do not care for what they're doing in nashville, as they are directly taking away opportunities & food off of the tables of musicians & artists that have been true to the form, so i won't support it with my hard earned dollar..... & i have the right in this country to speak of it from time to time.

the above statement does not, repeat, does not mean that i hate these people

I suspected that You really did'nt hate them...again this really was'nt so much about you as it was about the thread in general...Peace...DAcat

[remainthesame]

the most hated prize has to go to gene simmons (my opinion)

[PRUNEFACE]

Originally Posted by zenlowend

I just love how many people bash players for nothing more than "making it". The blatantly obvious bond between these players, with the exception of Fieldly, is they are rhythm players and let me remind you that the bass IS part of the rhythm section. So they are hated players because they don't play like Jaco? Clayton, Simmons, McKagin, Anthony, are all phenomenal players who all realized one fact about bass playing that still escapes alot of you elitist types... it's not about how many notes you can play in a given measure...thats not talent. That is practice and diligence. It's about playing what is most needed to move the song...that is the job of the bass...and it's also where you find the "pocket". And let me just remind you of a few other players that subscribe to this exact approach of bass playing and lets see how hated they are for their palying, or according to many of you, their lack of... Paul McCartney, Stu Cook, Sting, Roger Watters, Tom Hamilton, Tim Commerford, John Paul Jones, Jack Bruce, Donnald Dunn, Tommy Shannon, Brian Wilson, Noel Redding and the undeniable James Jamerson. All rhythm players who were/are anything but flashy. Their bass lines are easier to play than the "hated" players you mentioned, why then are they not hated as well? Same criteria...same playing style. If you don't like them or their playing thats cool and totally your opinion and I can respect that. But to say these players are hacks or they can barely play is just not true and frankly benieth most of you. Please don't forget that alot of people hate Jaco and see his playing as nothing more than "bass masturbation"(to quote a fellow TB'er). Sorry for the rant.

have you HEARD Black Dog?!?

[ZonGuy]

Originally Posted by Bass Mule

Wow! Are you serious?!? Duff is @#$%ing awesome. I haven't liked that genre of music for a while, and I still think he's awesome. Go listen to Appetite for Destruction, then go burn off a few hours worth of adrenaline.

I second that emotion.

Not a big GnR fan, but I certainly recognize low end talent holding down the groove which is job No. 1 for a bassist.

[Sonicfrog]

Originally Posted by bassrique

Hitler played lead guitar.

No, Hitler was the vocalist... A Rapper.

OK. the funniest about this reply - I typed this but had no idea there was actually a Hitler rap out there. Decided, what the heck, google'd it on a whim, and voila....

[Sonicfrog]

This is even worse! Always wondered what happened to Kyle MacLachlan.

[Sonicfrog]

Ok. TB'ers keep mentioning Fieldy in this thread. Had no idea who Fieldy was. Now I know...