There is only one king of Bass

SRC670 · #1 08-30-2001, 11:17 AM

Joco was awsome, but mostly sloppy in his later days. This is just my opinion, but I have not heard anyone with the articulation, speed, and musical content than Jeff Berlin. He is amazing.

JMX · #2 08-30-2001, 11:23 AM

Hm, but his first 3 solo albums sucked musically (as did his sound) IMO - and his instructional video was a joke.
Jaco may have been sloppier, but he grooved better, his style was more unique...etc. pp.

...just teasin' ya

Nobody is perfect - and I'm a democrat anyway, no kings in my bassland.

And it's Jaco (Jocko in the very early days).

Who loves ya?

lo-end · #3 08-30-2001, 12:29 PM

Flea wins the popularity contest. Plus hes cool because he acts like a little kid.

PollyBass · #4 08-30-2001, 01:38 PM

Flea is cool, but i feel the same way. no kings in my bassland. i AM sick of everyone saying jaco s a god or this guys is a god or whatever. i will admit, im not a HUGE jazz fan, i listen to it now and then, and jaco could hold a groove ...........

Bass Guitar · #5 08-30-2001, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by SRC670
Joco was awsome, but mostly sloppy in his later days. This is just my opinion, but I have not heard anyone with the articulation, speed, and musical content than Jeff Berlin. He is amazing.

Mmm... which of Jaco's albums have you heard? Please tell me which song on which album he is sloppy on so I can listen to it, as I have all his albums, including rare Japanese and bootleg ones.

Aaron · #6 08-30-2001, 04:59 PM

IMO, we never got to see Jaco to his full potential. I think that Jaco's short life opened a gateway to bassists like Victor Wooten. If you look at Victor Wooten, i think he is going to have a long career. He is healthy and seems like a nice guy, so no one is going to attack him.

For now, Jaco is the king, but maybe not in the future.

Ulyanov · #7 08-30-2001, 11:00 PM

Really? I could have sworn that there were more than that. Hell, we have some of them right here on talkbass.

SRC670 · #8 08-30-2001, 11:14 PM

As I stated, it was just my opinion....After reading some of the replies, I had an intensive Jaco (spelled right that time aye?) listening session. OK, I would not call him sloppy per se, maybe it is just his reverb/distorted tone that always bugged me......who knows, hell, I grew up swearing that Gene Simmons was that all time bestist bass guy in the world!

Aaron · #9 08-30-2001, 11:59 PM

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Originally posted by SRC670
..his reverb/distorted tone that always bugged me...

Were you listing to slang? I think jaco used distion well. He didn't overuse it, and when he used it, it had meaning.

**john turner** · #10 08-31-2001, 12:02 AM

you know, the one thing that i really dig about our instrument is that there is so much diversity and potential still available to be explored. there is so much room for development on so many fronts, no other instrument has so much room for technical and artistic development and expansion. i think that's a product of the fact that our instrument, bass guitar, is still a relatively new instrument, with elements of guitar and of double bass, along with elements and characteristics unique to itself.

jaco was great, but there were so many technical and artistic things he never even tried doing on bass. that's not because he was limited, it's because there are so many things to do on the instrument, and he chose to explore just a few of them, and map them out. it's like saying that lewis and clark were the greatest explorers of all time - they didn't map out the whole planet, you know.

jaco surely didn't map out all of "planet bass" either - no one player has.

ultimately, it's like saying who's the better guitarist, pepe romero or jimi hendrix? the only difference being that, i think, the bass has yet to be technically and artistically tapped out like the guitar has become (imo). it's alot easier to do things on bass that nobody else has done before than it is on guitar.

XavierG · #11 08-31-2001, 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by john turner
.. it's like saying who's the better guitarist, pepe romero or jimi hendrix?

:lost-tourist voice on:

Is this a poll? I vote for Pepe.

:lost-tourist voice off:

Angus · #12 08-31-2001, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by PortraitofTracy
If you look at Victor Wooten, i think he is going to have a long career. He is healthy and seems like a nice guy, so no one is going to attack him.

What the hell? That's probably one of the weirdest statement I've ever read on Talkbass! "He's a nice guy, so nobody is going to attack him"? Hhhmmm...

The only thing I know to say to this is "oooooookay."

**john turner** · #13 08-31-2001, 01:33 AM

well, hey, angus, didn't you know? jaco wasn't a "nice guy" and so some dude came up to him, out of the blue, and killed him. geeze, get your history straight.

Aaron · #14 08-31-2001, 01:34 AM

what i meant was that he is not agrivating assault. He isn't pissing someone off. You don't want to piss off the wrong guy that has had a bad day, and may own guns.

**john turner** · #15 08-31-2001, 01:56 AM

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Originally posted by PortraitofTracy
what i meant was that he is not agrivating assault. He isn't pissing someone off. You don't want to piss off the wrong guy that has had a bad day, and may own guns.

that's generally a good policy. definitely words to live by.

mchildree · #16 08-31-2001, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by SRC670
Joco was awsome, but mostly sloppy in his later days. This is just my opinion, but I have not heard anyone with the articulation, speed, and musical content than Jeff Berlin. He is amazing.

It also helps that Jeff Berlin hangs around here, so we can kiss his butt with posts like this...

D.J · #17 08-31-2001, 12:03 PM

Hey guys don't forget the legendary John Paul Jones, he is really awesome!
God bless him!

Aaron · #18 08-31-2001, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by D.J
Hey guys don't forget the legendary John Paul Jones, he is really awesome!
God bless him!

JPJ is a great bassist and all, but i'm not sure if i would classify him with inovators like Stanley Clarke, Jamerson, or Jaco.

mchildree · #19 08-31-2001, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by PortraitofTracy

JPJ is a great bassist and all, but i'm not sure if i would classify him with inovators like Stanley Clarke, Jamerson, or Jaco.

I don't agree. JPJ was one of the most influential bassists of all time. His innovation was different, but just as important..more akin to what Jamerson did as opposed to Jaco or Stanley.

For those of us (and we are many) who aren't and will never be interested in being soloists, JPJ taught us that a bassist can be melodic while heavy, and how to bridge a gap between a drummer and guitarist.

Woodchuck · #20 08-31-2001, 03:39 PM

Even though I'm a Jaco fanatic, I've got to give props to JJ Brunell from The Stranglers. Classically trained in Flamenco style guitar, and applied that to being a punk bassist! Amazing! Plus he is a 3rd degree balck belt to boot. Gotta like that!