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10-10-2002, 04:35 PM
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I saw something like that and remember that either Verdine or the other bassist had one of the worst bass tones I've ever heard in such a large scale concert. Pure clicky.
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10-10-2002, 05:20 PM
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A couple of years ago the cable tv channel A&E featured EW&F on their BY Request series. Anyone see that? I'm sure I recorded it but now can't find the tape (damn) . Anyway at one point another band member (can't recall if it was a keyboard or conga player) did a bass duet with Verdine ,this cat was hot too. Does anyone remember this ?
MUST FIND THAT VIDEO | It was Morris Pleasure. |
10-14-2002, 07:26 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii | | | I only now got to chime in on this thread. I just saw Verdine /w EW&F live in concert earlier this year. He's still got the funk, and you still get exhausted just watching him on stage. That Shining Star bass line is still high up on my list of "how the heck did he come up with that bass line?" songs; I would have never thought of playing that groove with those notes.
Speaking of Brad's forgotten bassmen, I just saw Nate Phillips live at a Dazz Band concert earlier this year too. He was playing a 5 string Bossa bass and sounded great. He is quite a contrast on stage as compared to Verdine; visually, Nate has an understated, reserved, & cool composure on stage, yet what you hear sonically is a drivin' funkin' groove. His slap solos were pretty hot too. |
10-14-2002, 07:37 PM
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10-15-2002, 08:55 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: The Motor City | | | Maybe SOME have forgotten Verdine White, but not me. In my book of favorites, Verdine is up there with Stanley Clarke, Nathan East, and Louis Johnson. I've met and spoken with each of them and would snap at the chance to meet and talk to Verdine/
Verdine is finger funk personified. The last time I saw EWF live, Verdine handled all the bass himself. This was about a year ago. can't swear that there wasn't a track helping him out, but there was nobody on or offstage doubling the lines for him. I could see offstage from where my seat was so I'm very certain about this.
He was all over the stage, as usual. He did simplify some of the lines while he was running around or singing, but he was still on.
Peace,
James
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10-16-2002, 09:33 PM
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I also feel his work on 'Shining Star' to be one of the funkiest pieces of music ever recorded. Man, that cat is cool!!! | Yea, I dig that song too. At the very end of the song when there's nothing but bass and vocals left, its like Verdine is saying "F*ck ya'll. I ain't threw playing yet!" |
10-17-2002, 04:59 PM
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Look at my profile.....Verdine is the third after Marcus and Jaco.
He is a MASTER:in sense that he is one of the very very few bassplayer,you can recognize after 2-3 notes.
I love not only his acclaimed funkyness,
but above all,
his choice of notes,his sense of space( one of the main goal isn't playing notes well,BUT to know when NOT playing notes at all...see Paul Jackson also in this field),his mastery in note lenght.
and then...........
.....Have you listened to EWF's 83 Live VHS?If so:have you compared the standard basslines on studio works,with this live stuff?
What I mean is:very,very,very few bass-players have Verdine's abilty,taste,fantasy,(call it however you want) to play the same written groove,and change it continously!You know...those little rythmical,armonical, melodical,or tecnical variations....Jaco is the Lord in this field(check "Black Market" Live),but Verdine too doesn't joke!!!
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10-17-2002, 08:04 PM
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The last time I saw EWF live, Verdine handled all the bass himself. This was about a year ago. can't swear that there wasn't a track helping him out, but there was nobody on or offstage doubling the lines for him. I could see offstage from where my seat was so I'm very certain about this.
| First, I know VW is a great bass player, so I don't want to start a war here. I just happened to note on an EWF DVD I watched definite bass playing and no finger movement on VW's part. It was in a highly choreographed part and I just surmised that someone was helping fill in while he flew around. |
10-17-2002, 08:09 PM
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10-18-2002, 02:43 AM
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First, I know VW is a great bass player, so I don't want to start a war here. I just happened to note on an EWF DVD I watched definite bass playing and no finger movement on VW's part. It was in a highly choreographed part and I just surmised that someone was helping fill in while he flew around. | Oh my God!
Although I'd keep confirming every thing I posted before,
I have to admit I had the same sensation:I could hear some slap,but I didn't see Verdine slaping...
...same thing with Peter Gabriel's live video:I listen to bass notes,while Tony hammers on his head with his right hand  |
10-18-2002, 02:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: The Motor City | | Quote: Originally posted by rickreyn
First, I know VW is a great bass player, so I don't want to start a war here. I just happened to note on an EWF DVD I watched definite bass playing and no finger movement on VW's part. It was in a highly choreographed part and I just surmised that someone was helping fill in while he flew around. | Rick,
I don't doubt or disagree with anything you said, so there's no war brewin' on this front. I've been to other EWF concerts where a second bassist has been present on stage. It's just that at this particular concert that wasn't the case. That's why I even noticed that his lines were really simplified from what he normally played. On the other hand, they've started using dancers in their high energy numbers.....Nice dancers....Gorgeous dancers....I wasn't REALLY watching Verdine's hands a whole lot 
Peace,
James
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10-18-2002, 05:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Tampa, Florida | | I am glad we cleared that up. 
Part of EWF's stick is VW twirling around anyway. Live, who would want to see him on a stool!! |
10-18-2002, 08:14 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Florence | | That's why I even noticed that his lines were really simplified from what he normally played.
Hi Malthumb,
What Concert are we talking about?May be two different ones.....I have a VHS of a 1983 concert:well,at least in this particular concert,Verdine's line are not simplified at all!He makes much more stuff than he does in the studio.
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10-18-2002, 10:27 PM
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That's why I even noticed that his lines were really simplified from what he normally played.
Hi Malthumb,
What Concert are we talking about?May be two different ones.....I have a VHS of a 1983 concert:well,at least in this particular concert,Verdine's line are not simplified at all!He makes much more stuff than he does in the studio. | The concert I'm talking about was in September, 2001 at the Fox Theatre in Detroit. Rufus and Chaka Khan opened and Earth, Wind & Fire closed it out. I was in 1980's heaven.
Normally Verdine's lines played live are a lot more complex than the recorded studio stuff, but what I noticed in particular in this case was if he was running around the stage he was pulling back a bit on the lines. Keeping it simple. Now when he was driving the band, he was vintage Verdine. Now that I think about it, since he's basically taken on leadership of the band, I wonder if that influences how deeply he gets into his own basslines? How many ways can one split one's attention?
Peace,
James
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10-19-2002, 06:12 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Florence | | Ah,now I see!We were talking about 2 different concerts.
I think that if someone has to lead a whole band,has less space to concentrate on his own playing.This could probably be a reason for Verdine's live playing change over the years.
Another one may be the fact that it is common that the older one get,the less he needs to play. |
10-19-2002, 09:47 PM
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As much as I love Verdine's playing I also have a dvd where you hear bass but his hands are not moving! I was truley disappointed by this and I have never veiwed this dvd again.
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10-20-2002, 07:52 AM
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