What happened to chuck rainey in this vid!!!

[Langueta]

This is the man who played with steely dan and I always loved???
Check this vid
It seems he dont know the modes and I can compare his sound to an amateur!!
I love this guy, but wat happened here!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQMOqQmW4b4

[Jazz Ad]

You comment on the sound of a 20 yo VHS instruction tape hacked to youtube?
As for modes, it just shows that you can make a career without knowing them.

[Kwesi]

I doubt that his tone would sound that much better if you were there in person.

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

You comment on the sound of a 20 yo VHS instruction tape hacked to youtube?
As for modes, it just shows that you can make a career without knowing them.

Yeah, but you shouldn't go on an interview and say two wrongs things back by back. Phrygian is "a" minor scale (not "the", which he is right would be aeolian). And locrian is really a half-diminished scale, so yeah he should know it if he wants to try and correct someone about it.

[James Hart]

I bought that VHS tape back in the day... it was hard to watch and I cannot recall a single thing I gained from owning it.

[jaywa]

All I know is that Will Lee is in serious bad 80s hair code violation on that clip.

[Langueta]

the other guy is will lee?

[waleross]

I recently got his bass books and they are worth it. . He sounded great in that old interview. He knows his stuff, I liked seeing him slap etc and the comments he made about solos.

[bass_snake]

Originally Posted by Langueta

the other guy is will lee?

I' m wondering the same thing.

Fred

[James Hart]

that isn't Will Lee

[pasta4lnch]

yeah - no way that's Will . . .

[Dr. Cheese]

My teacher says the Chuck Rainey book is the best one he has seen. Chuck Rainey is player who did more than a few heavy reading gigs, and he does have a degree in music. The best of make mistakes. I think his body of work is great enough that we can cut him some slack for a bad video. BTW, I own the video, and I don't think it is worth much for instruction either.

[JAUQO III-X]

The interviewer is not Will Lee(his name escapes me at the moment),

[Stingray5]

that appears to be from a long time ago, and it's from this:

http://www.amazon.com/All-Star-Bass-.../dp/B000BJS4N0

judging by the do and the getup on that interviewer this BETTER have been from some time in the 80's..

[Mike19]

The interviewer looks like Scott Gorham, one of the guitar players in Thin Lizzy.

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by Dr. Cheese

My teacher says the Chuck Rainey book is the best one he has seen. Chuck Rainey is player who did more than a few heavy reading gigs, and he does have a degree in music. The best of make mistakes. I think his body of work is great enough that we can cut him some slack for a bad video. BTW, I own the video, and I don't think it is worth much for instruction either.

No.Absolutely no. I'm sorry, but if a guy pretends to know about theory and tries to talk to a intereivewer about it he better know it. If he got a degree in music I'd hope to god that he learned the difference betwee the modes and how I IV and V are major, II, III, VI are minor, and VII is 9half)diminished. This kind of thing is so elementary to a serious, degreed musician that you should be able to ask him in his sleep any key/mode thing and he should be able to respond correctly. This is the extreme basic of classical music which any school at least has 1 semester in. And sinc4e classical music is the root of ALL music any serious musician should be able to talk at length about tonal harmory/voiceleadin/whatever even if he is "just a pop musician".

[Alvaro Martín Gómez A.]

Originally Posted by Langueta

It seems he dont know the modes

Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

As for modes, it just shows that you can make a career without knowing them.

Exactly. In many cases, being knowledgeable isn't a must to have a successful career. There are lots of musicians who were blessed by Mother Nature at birth and, as a result, talent simply oozes out of them. If you had that luck, you can compensate any lack of schooling with pure talent. Paul McCartney is a great example of a successful singer/multi-instrumentalist/songwriter who didn't get to know how to read music properly, for instance (I think I read somewhere that he did it not so long ago?). I remember reading an interview to Steve Miller in which he compared the talents of Macca and George Harrison after jamming with them. He said something along the lines of "George's accomplishments were the result of really hard work, while Paul didn't need to work that much".

Now, if you want to see an example of a really unschooled bass monster (at least judging from the video), watch this (from 1:02 to 1:13 and from 4:26 to 4:45). With such skills and accomplishments, it wouldn't matter much to me to be that ignorant about basic music theory.

P.S.: Just in case, I'm not trying to say that Mr. Rainey is "just talent". No doubt he's a very knowledgeable player.

[Rockman]

Originally Posted by Alvaro Martín Gómez A.

Exactly. In many cases, being knowledgeable isn't a must to have a successful career. There are lots of musicians who were blessed by Mother Nature at birth and, as a result, talent simply oozes out of them. If you had that luck, you can compensate any lack of schooling with pure talent. Paul McCartney is a great example of a successful singer/multi-instrumentalist/songwriter who didn't get to know how to read music properly, for instance (I think I read somewhere that he did it not so long ago?). I remember reading an interview to Steve Miller in which he compared the talents of Macca and George Harrison after jamming with them. He said something along the lines of "George's accomplishments were the result of really hard work, while Paul didn't need to work that much".

Now, if you want to see an example of a really unschooled bass monster (at least judging from the video), watch this (from 1:02 to 1:13 and from 4:26 to 4:45). With such skills and accomplishments, it wouldn't matter much to me to be that ignorant about basic music theory.

P.S.: Just in case, I'm not trying to say that Mr. Rainey is "just talent". No doubt he's a very knowledgeable player.

No such thing as talent in the sense you are talking about. An integral sense of the music you are playing comes from playing that style for A LONG TIME. Paul McCartney played forever until he was realized as an "iconic
player". Maybe he has some knack in getting around the bass physically, but the musical sense comes from totally internalizing what you want to play. There is no other path to greatness on an instrument in the style you want. Talent!=havinga good sense of the music you want to play. No way in no world can you tell me a man with a straight up Phd in jazz composition, but never seriously listend to jazz will understand what sounds good. The same goes for absolutely anything in this world, music, athletics, business. You must not only KNOW but BE what it is you are trying to master, otherwise you are just an imitator,

[Basshappi]

Rockman, with all due respect, are you suggesting that Mr. Rainey is just an imitator?

[bottomzone]

And to think that Chuck kept getting hired over....and over....and over again! I guess his clients had no idea that he doesn't really have an understanding of music! I guess he just kept coming up with amazing bass lines by accident!



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