Who to tour with Pino Palladino! - Page 3

lushfreak · #41 07-03-2002, 11:38 AM

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Not sure about the appropriateness of cross-posting, so check out this just-started thread...

Entwistle tribute/discussion tonight!

Clips from the broadcast can be found at http://soundopinions.net/realaudio.html for those who are interested...

hitman9696 · #42 07-03-2002, 06:42 PM

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Originally posted by Philbiker

Moonie was Moonie.

Simon and Kenney were like watching Roger, Rabbit, Pete, and John working in front of a "fill-in" guy, with Zak it was like he was a member of the band.

I unquestionably agree...

corinpills · #43 07-04-2002, 09:33 PM

I think the earlier comments about Simon Phillips echo the fears most Who fans would have about Pino Palladino: bringing in the chop-monster studio hack. I actually think that Pino has played some great, soulful stuff over the years, and he certainly makes a lot of sense for the gig, but Simon Phillips was a pretty great example of what happens when you put a musician's musician in a band based on things that cannot be taught. I kind of think that's why it was always such a huge mess whenever Entistle tried to play in another setting. The Who allowed him to play at the outer limits of his abilitry and it fit musically (which has a lot to do with Townsend's genorosity as a guitarist- he leaves a lot of room for a bass that sounds like a jet landing).

Kenny Jones was such an intersesting situation. He was a fabulous drummer in the Small Faces and you couldn't think of a more perfect fit from a social standpoint, but his timing was bad. He was in the band at it's lowest point and ended up taking the blame for a lot of it. Seeing the band with Zak Starkey is really breathtaking- and what most Who fans have been dying for for years. A lot fo the sound of the Who was Townshend working off of Moon and that element is back. Quite frankly, as much as I loved John Entwistle as a bassist, his early death was hardly surprising considering his lifestyle, and my greatest fear is that this will end the musical relationship between Zak and Pete. I was really looking forward to hearing a drummer kick Pete up the ass for years to come.

lushfreak · #44 07-07-2002, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by corinpills
Quite frankly, as much as I loved John Entwistle as a bassist, his early death was hardly surprising considering his lifestyle...

What lifestyle? I wasn't aware that Entwistle had any "problems" with use or abuse. What are you getting at?

corinpills · #45 07-07-2002, 09:29 PM

I'm referring to the fact that, according to many sources and some personal experiences, John never altered his lifestyle from the 60s. He smoked like an absolute fiend and drank every single day. I don't think he ever got as deeply into harder drugs as 2 of his bandmates, but those two things take a greater toll on the body over time than most illegal substances (bar cocaine and heroin, but most people don't maintain relationships with those drugs for as long- they usually quit or die.) Part of Entwistle's devotion to playing was that he ended up in a bar of some sort almost every night of the week. It's a rather pathetic way to kill yourself.

lushfreak · #46 07-07-2002, 09:57 PM

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Originally posted by corinpills
I'm referring to the fact that, according to many sources and some personal experiences, John never altered his lifestyle from the 60s. He smoked like an absolute fiend and drank every single day. I don't think he ever got as deeply into harder drugs as 2 of his bandmates, but those two things take a greater toll on the body over time than most illegal substances (bar cocaine and heroin, but most people don't maintain relationships with those drugs for as long- they usually quit or die.) Part of Entwistle's devotion to playing was that he ended up in a bar of some sort almost every night of the week. It's a rather pathetic way to kill yourself.

Oh. What a pity.

RAM · #47 07-07-2002, 10:49 PM

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Originally posted by corinpills
I'm referring to the fact that, according to many sources and some personal experiences, John never altered his lifestyle from the 60s. He smoked like an absolute fiend and drank every single day. I don't think he ever got as deeply into harder drugs as 2 of his bandmates, but those two things take a greater toll on the body over time than most illegal substances (bar cocaine and heroin, but most people don't maintain relationships with those drugs for as long- they usually quit or die.) Part of Entwistle's devotion to playing was that he ended up in a bar of some sort almost every night of the week. It's a rather pathetic way to kill yourself.

If you've ever seen him play, you might have noticed that he had velcro-affixed an ashtray in one of his 15" bass bins. On "Left for Live", his live CD, to introduce the drum solo, he said, "...features a drum solo as long as a Winston 100 cigarette..."

JMX · #48 07-08-2002, 06:16 AM

Yesterday evening there was an old Who Concert from 1981(?) on TV - great show!
When The Ox sang The Quiet One - what an emotional moment.

We miss ya.

The Mock Turtle Regulator · #49 07-25-2002, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Peter McFerrin

Ever heard D'Angelo's Voodoo? There's nothing bland, '80s, pop, or fretless ( ) about it. It's more Bootsy/Jamerson than anything else--earthy, earthy, earthy. And really, in the early days, that's what the Who were all about. (They didn't call their box set 30 Years of Maximum R&B for nothing.)

a lot of people have been raving about "how radical Pino's playing is" on that album, so I dug out the copy of BP that analysed a few tracks "send it on", "one mo gin" with him playing and downloaded them to check them out.

sorry, but I just don't see what's so great about the playing on them - it does sound bland- run-of-the mill session player stuff- as for the Jamerson comparison, Pino's flatwound tone seems totally smoothed-out and lifeless.

if there's any connection with the Who's R&B, it's by name only.
all IMHO.

jerry · #50 07-25-2002, 06:32 PM

I think what makes Pino's playing so great on Voodoo is the notes he does not play......his use of space!!! To me, it's one of the best R&B albums of the last couple years

bass4ever · #51 09-16-2002, 02:38 PM

Ya know, pete said to my friend (he is his uncle) when john died that 'he's only a bass player, there's plenty around' what a d***!!

bassmonkeee · #52 09-16-2002, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by bass4ever
Ya know, pete said to my friend (he is his uncle) when john died that 'he's only a bass player, there's plenty around' what a d***!!

Peter McFerrin · #53 09-16-2002, 05:04 PM

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Ya know, pete said to my friend (he is his uncle) when john died that 'he's only a bass player, there's plenty around' what a d***!!

Because, as we all know, guitarists of Pete's high caliber, let alone guys who have written as good of songs as him in the past 20 years (I mean, c'mon, "You Better You Bet" makes "Baba O'Riley" sound like Grand Funk Railroad, doesn't it?), are impossible to come by.

corinpills · #54 09-17-2002, 10:36 AM

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, Mr. Smug (love that sobriquet, by the way), but the Who did carry on quite abley with another bass player. Whereas I cannot possibly imagine them doing it without Townshend. It's rather hard to reduce Townshend's catalog down to "You Better You Bet" vs. "Baba O'Reilly". He's written a truckload of great songs (albeit, I cannot think of a truly good one in the last 15 year- well, I guess parts of Iron Man and Psychoderelict were alright. I mean, I bought them and still own them, so I must endorse them to some extent) and he's way beyond having to prove himself as a writer. Still, a very crappy remark- probably made to get a reaction. He's said some truly stupid things over the years, God love him. He's worn some truly strange jackets as well, but I don't let that get in the way of appreciating the things that actually matter.

RAM · #55 09-17-2002, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by corinpills
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, Mr. Smug (love that sobriquet, by the way), but the Who did carry on quite abley with another bass player. Whereas I cannot possibly imagine them doing it without Townshend. It's rather hard to reduce Townshend's catalog down to "You Better You Bet" vs. "Baba O'Reilly". He's written a truckload of great songs (albeit, I cannot think of a truly good one in the last 15 year- well, I guess parts of Iron Man and Psychoderelict were alright. I mean, I bought them and still own them, so I must endorse them to some extent) and he's way beyond having to prove himself as a writer. Still, a very crappy remark- probably made to get a reaction. He's said some truly stupid things over the years, God love him. He's worn some truly strange jackets as well, but I don't let that get in the way of appreciating the things that actually matter.

I share in your opinion. But, I'll carry that one step forward and say that some of Pete's comments may also be out of anger. I mean, it can be argued that what Entwistle did was to cause a lot of grief and heartache, not to mention disrupt some major plans of...well...at least a couple of people, all so he could get high and get laid.