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05-16-2007, 03:50 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tyneside, UK | | | Why do bassists look down upon indie bassists??
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Why do many bassists seem to look down on 'mainstream' or indie/emo bassists. I have met fierce opposition when asked who my favourite bassists are, only to be put down when I say an indie bassist.  I do like the usual bassists like Jaco and Victor Wooten as well.
I thought music was about freedom of expression... 
PS I'll include some examples of my fave bassists to highlight my point-
Pete Wentz (Fall Out Boy)
Peter 'Hooky' Hook (New Order/Joy Division)- the first bassist I took notice of....thanks Hooky!
Mani (Stone Roses)
Andy Rourke (the Smiths)
Chris Wolstenholme (Muse)
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05-16-2007, 03:53 PM
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Aging Former Bass Player | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Englishman in Oyster Bay, NY | | | Looking down on any artist is just ignorance I guess... personally I don't know if you would call them indie, they were in my day, but David J, Peter Hook, Simon Raymonde... all fantastic original lines in some fantastic original groups.
You listen to what you want to buddy and be influenced by all kinds. Those that don't are just missing out. |
05-16-2007, 03:53 PM
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Moog Artist in Rock/Pop 5th down | | | | | i will now go on a semi-related tangent.
WHAT IN THE NAME OF MUSIC IS "EMO?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" GAAHAHAA! it drives me crazy when i hear about new music that is of a genre that no one will define! also, WHAT IN THE NAME OF MUSIC IS "INDIE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
thank you. now go on and post about people i know nothing about. |
05-16-2007, 04:12 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Scarborough, Maine | | | Indie/Emo? Not to get into a crazy sub-genre analytic derailment, but right now those genres are pretty much in separate areas. The reason for the backlash against the "emo" bands/musicians is that those bands are popular right now, thats what MTV is playing, and naturally it has become cool to 'hate' on them. It's the same argument thats been made throughout the decades against popular bands, and it becomes hard to separate the musicians from the marketing. On the other hand, I've never really heard of anyone ripping on indie bass players. |
05-16-2007, 04:19 PM
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05-16-2007, 04:21 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Torrance, CA | | | The terms "emo" and "indie" are baseless genre definitions in that they don't have musical boundaries. You can definitely tell a jazz song and a rock song apart. Heck. You can even tell a rock n' roll song from a psychedelic rock song. But the word "emo" has applied to anything from whiny pop punk to crusty hardcore bands. Even in the earlier days of emo (late 80s/early 90s) where it was spawned off as a subgenre of hardcore, there wasn't much classification for it other than "emotional energy" and "poetic lyrics." Most bands that were called emo in that day hate the term.
A few years ago the term emo went commercial and became associated with bands full of skinny kids wearing eyeliner who sound nothing like the bands of yore. A lot of those bands sounded nothing like each other even. It became more associated with a style of dress and the kids who like those bands than the bands themselves. But now that the commercial fad is losing its mainstream appeal it's now cool to hate on so-called "emo" kids.
Don't even get me started on indie. |
05-16-2007, 04:21 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brooklyn, NYC | | | dude?? sorry but wth?
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05-16-2007, 04:33 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: northern illinois | | | lot's of people on here like chris from muse.
he's very talented and quite tastefull in alot of his basslines, "muscle museum" is a great example of this.
i can't say much about the other guys you've mentioned, I'm not really a fan of those bands and I'm not familiar enough eith their music. |
05-16-2007, 04:40 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Burlington | | | Fall out boy is more pop punk, pop punk is the music that I believe is the simplest and the most frowned upon basslines. Indie on the other hand is a huge genre that is hard to define. In the local scene right now the indie musicians are definitely extremely talented. In the end you shouldn't define a genre from one band though.
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05-16-2007, 05:01 PM
|  | prefers electric miles davis | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | i can appreciate indie bassits just as much as some jazz cat. there is much to appreciate in a "less is more" genre like indie music. |
05-16-2007, 05:01 PM
|  | Deteriorating faster than I can lower my standards | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frederick MD USA | | | So indie is a genre? I thought it meant independent of the major labels. In fact, I first heard it in reference to small labels, not bands.
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05-16-2007, 05:11 PM
|  | I took the one less traveled by | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Reims, Champagne, France | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht I do like the usual bassists like Jaco and Victor Wooten as well. | Wooten and Jaco are anything but usual.
Quite the opposite actually, they're pretty much unique which much be why they get admiration from so many bass players, most of them beating the root on a daily basis like the ones you admire. |
05-16-2007, 05:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bogotá D.C. | | Maybe Fassa Albrecht didn't use the correct words to define bass players that aren't technical and/or don't play music that requires a certain level of 'virtuosity'.
Sure, some people frown when you mention the names in the first post; but here in TB I've seen that most of the members like and even praise bass players(and other musicians as well) that are not necesarely virtuosos.
Hey! Pete Wentz even made it to the cover of BassGuitar Magazine(and yes, someone here complained  )
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05-16-2007, 05:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Stoneham, MA | | | Indie is not a genre. It just means Not on a label that does everything for you. So you could be in an indie metal band, or an indie rock band, or an indie polka band. As far as Emo goes, it's more related to what was hardcore punk than it is to how people use it now. For example, people say Weezer is like THE emo band (because they wear glasses?) Weezer is just a pop rock band. No need to over complicate the genres. |
05-16-2007, 05:35 PM
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Freely Endorsing Hartke, DR, Subaru, and Nintendo | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marietta, GA | | | Well, I don't like Pete Wentz a whole bunch. I mean, the basslines you can hear are semi-alright, but as a person he sort of bothers me.
On the other hand, I love Andy Rourke, and think he's one of the best and most underrated rock bassists of the past 20something years.
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05-16-2007, 05:36 PM
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Freely Endorsing Hartke, DR, Subaru, and Nintendo | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Marietta, GA | | | PS: Indie actually has become a genre.
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05-16-2007, 05:40 PM
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Endorser:Fender User:Rotosound, LaBella, Ashdown, Lindy Fralin | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: New York | | | I cant say much about the other players, but I personally hate Peter Wentz. He is truely a terrible musicians in my opinion and makes what is, again in my opinion, a crappy band even crappier.
If he just played the root like he does anyway, I wouldn't nearly hate him as much, but he tries show boating as well, which I think is rather pathetic because I think on their biggest notes, he played less than half a dozen different notes per song.
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05-16-2007, 05:43 PM
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Don't waste your time worrying, just play!
Music is all about what you like. Nuf said.. |
05-16-2007, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht I thought music was about freedom of expression. | it is... not sure where this fierce opposition is, but please report the posts and I'll clean it up. Quote:
Originally Posted by Fassa Albrecht PS I'll include some examples of my fave bassists to highlight my point- | Great group of idols... no shame needed. Pete Wentz - the dude has a sig model Peter 'Hooky' Hook - a legend and greatly admired by many Mani (Stone Roses) - I just saw a thread mentioning him the other day. I prefer the Charlatans personally, but yeah, great lines. Andy Rourke (the Smiths) - another legend.... I've played A LOT of Smiths stuff Chris Wolstenholme (Muse) - modern King of Distortion. His tones are as cool as his lines.
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