Is it wrong?

[JAUQO III-X]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Wow, you're one hot babe!

Thank you and why did you have to go and make me blush.

Originally Posted by zdobson

Also, I hate to sound philosophical here, but everyone is influenced by Jaco. Even if you've never heard of him before, or don't like his music

That's impossible to be true.

If that's the case then the same can be said of James Jamerson,Chuck Rainey,Joe Osbourne,Monk Montgomery or Rocco Prestia.

and it was Monk Montgomery who gave the electric bass some real jazz credit(and that was in the 50's).

[Machinehead-man]

Well, if you don't like Jazz, it's maybe understandable you don't hook onto Jaco. For 24 years I believed that Stanley Clarke was the greatest bass player who ever lived until I started istening to Jaco. Now I believe Stanley is only the second! What's so great about Jaco? Timing, technique, style, invention, speed of fingers, what he actually plays (most of which is effortless) etc etc. Above all he is a man at one with his instrument.
Don't forget how bass people were playing in the late 70s when Jaco and Stanley came along. They started doing stuff no-one had heard the like of before. They pushed the bass forward as a lead instrument. Lots of imitators can play like them now but at the time they were unique.
Watch that DVD of Jaco at the Monteal Jazz Festival. If you don't like jazz you probably won't watch more than 5 minutes. Most of my music DVDs get watched once then stacked on the shelf. This one I have watched over and over and over again. This sextet of musicians are guys at the top of the tree and so in tune with each other and it's Jaco at his best.

[Otso]

Pastorius was the Paganini of the electric bass.

[zdobson]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

If that's the case then the same can be said of James Jamerson,Chuck Rainey,Joe Osbourne,Monk Montgomery or Rocco Prestia.

You get it! Everyone is influenced by those who came first, even if only on a small level. The same can be said for each of those players you mentioned.

[JAUQO III-X]

Exactly,even tho Chuck Rainey is heavily influential in his own right he was also very influenced by James Jamerson to the degree that he once told me that there would be no Chuck Rainey if there was no James Jamerson.

[ad1]

Originally Posted by funkalicious101

thats a joke right?

i was using harmonics before i had ever heard of jaco

easy dude,in relation to what rano bass said,you say u used harmonics before jaco.but harmonics are all influenced by jaco.u may not have got them directly from jaco work but if u follow it back u get to jaco.take it easy.

[Otso]

Originally Posted by ad1

easy dude,in relation to what rano bass said,you say u used harmonics before jaco.but harmonics are all influenced by jaco.u may not have got them directly from jaco work but if u follow it back u get to jaco.take it easy.

Harmonics have been around for centuries (at least over a century), so it's perfectly possible that the influence was from somewhere else.

[BellBottomBlues]

Jaco started playing bass when he was 15, which puts him playing bass at 1966. Now lets assume he started playing harmonics the day he started playing bass.

I have recordings of my father from 1965 playing with harmonics (he used to own a recording studio)

So by that logic my father, who never met Mr. Pastorius, must have heavily influenced him. Thats total bull, and anyone who says Jaco invented harmonics deserves to be shot.

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Wow, you're one hot babe!

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

Thank you and why did you have to go and make me blush.

Bastard beat me to it. I should stay on top of my own threads...

As for Jaco influencing everything I do, because obviously he must be a bass god is also retarded. Look at my profile, none of those guys were in their musical peak (for the most part) when Jaco released his first album.

Lead bass lines were old news even before Jaco. Check out Jack Bruce in the 60s with Cream.

And if I decide that I hate him and don't want to sound a thing like him, then I'm still influenced by him? Obviously Peter Wentz must be a HUGE influence on me then huh?

[BellBottomBlues]

Jacquo, you're a dude lol

[funkalicious101]

yeah, jaco didnt start lead basslines. anyone ever heard of a little band called The Who?

[Machinehead-man]

Originally Posted by BellBottomBlues

Jaco started playing bass when he was 15, which puts him playing bass at 1966. Now lets assume he started playing harmonics the day he started playing bass.

I have recordings of my father from 1965 playing with harmonics (he used to own a recording studio)

So by that logic my father, who never met Mr. Pastorius, must have heavily influenced him. Thats total bull, and anyone who says Jaco invented harmonics deserves to be shot.




Bastard beat me to it. I should stay on top of my own threads...

As for Jaco influencing everything I do, because obviously he must be a bass god is also retarded. Look at my profile, none of those guys were in their musical peak (for the most part) when Jaco released his first album.

Lead bass lines were old news even before Jaco. Check out Jack Bruce in the 60s with Cream.

And if I decide that I hate him and don't want to sound a thing like him, then I'm still influenced by him? Obviously Peter Wentz must be a HUGE influence on me then huh?

You're one big angry dude.

[Rano Bass]

Originally Posted by Otso

Harmonics have been around for centuries (at least over a century), so it's perfectly possible that the influence was from somewhere else.

Can somebody point me to where i said Jaco invented harmonics? I know he didn't, and i know he saw somebody doing that BUT, he was the first to compose melodies with harmonics on the bass guitar, Portrait of Tracy does not sound like somebody tuning with harmonics, it's a beautiful song written with a technique never heard on the bass guitar.
Just like if you play guitar and use tapping, Eddie Van Halen might have not invented it but he influenced everyone to experiment with it and create intros and songs with it.
Also Jaco didn't invented fretless basses but he made made the style popular, and was a big factor in the design of production made fretless basses because nobody constructed them like that before Jaco.

[Bassplayer_479]

Originally Posted by Eric Moesle

'Hate' is one heck of a word to throw about so casually - especially when directed towards a person - and one you've never met....

Just because you don't care for fusion, you're going to hate the dude?

I absolutly agree..personally, im open to almost all styles of music (Emo in the morning, Jazz at night) but lets be honest. You never met him. Hate on Jazz all you want...I get it at school all the time...but a person...lets step back and think about that one.

[zombywoof5050]

Originally Posted by JAUQO III-X

No not at all,that is me in my avatar.

Wow, I seriously thought it was Rana Ross (RIP).

[zombywoof5050]

Originally Posted by BellBottomBlues

Is it wrong...to hate Jaco Pastorius?

Yes.

Print out your question, and then take a look at it in ten years. I predict that you will most surely have changed your mind by then, that is if you are even still trying to learn bass ten years from now.

Didn't your dad teach you that you shouldn't hate people? Have you asked him this question?

[nysbob]

It's not wrong...just kind of ignorant.

Every player and every style ain't going to appeal to everyone. If you don't like that style of playing or gendre of music, nothing wrong that...but you don't need to diss it.

There are several cats that the majority of folks on these boards think are terrific who do nothing for me...but music is about communication, so if something speaks to a lot of people there must be something good about it. That's why I don't bother posting any negative stuff about anybody...ultimately what purpose does it serve?

[Scott01]

Jamerson > Jaco.

IMO anyway, Jamerson was much more musical - not to mention his ability to create lines on the spot, just by feel with only 1 finger

[Bassplayer_479]

Ok, I Know i posted here a short while ago, but i found some other stuff i want to touch on...

Originally Posted by BellBottomBlues

Obviously Peter Wentz must be a HUGE influence on me then huh?

1. Whats with all the hatin!... ...Am i alone in thinking that "emo bassists" shouldnt be the butt of every so-called "joke" around here!?!?!

Frankly, I'm tired of it. Maybe people would change their minds if everybody started slamming other genres players...CONSTANTLY...and then we all got the idea....hmm...

2. Hating Jaco isnt a bad thing, but from the sound of it maybe you havent listened to enough of him. To be frank, moving outside your comfort zone can take time and patience...both of which are also good to have heaps of as a bass player.
3. I can understand your dislike for a genre not your own, but shouldnt you at least be open to understanding why people consider Jaco a "bass God"...?While people may have been playing harmonics before him, can we give him credit for bringing that stuff into the mainstream? And before you sling some 50's album at me that states the conterary, lets face it...Everybody should at least give him some respect for having a part in it.
4. And as for your slam on Weather Report...Try to learn a Jaco line or two from ANY album of theirs that he played on...then come back and we'll talk.

Just some thoughts...

[beggar98]

I think a big misunderstanding at the core of this argument is the meaning of the word "influenced". In my mind, being influenced by someone doesn't necessarily mean you try to emulate them. It just means that you are on the road you are on at least partially in thanks to they're contributions, both positive and negative.

I'm a big proponent of the "you're influenced by everything" school of thought. I believe that the lines you choose to play at your gig tonight are influenced by what CD was on in the car on the way to the gig, what you had for dinner, whether you had enough sleep last night, etc. Ideally, music (and this is mostly improvised music I'm talking about) is simply you communicating through your instrument. If you get to that rare place where the wall between your subconscious and your finger tips is totally removed, that's when you hear yourself coming through the speakers. So, with that in mind, if you've heard enough Jaco to have an opinion you were definitely influenced, good or bad. But beyond that, Jaco was such a huge figure in the history of electric bass that I think everyone is influenced by him, even without knowing it. He's certainly not alone in that regard, but he's way up the list.

[Bassplayer_479]

Thank you!!!!!
Finally....