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11-07-2007, 08:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: the great state of california | | | is your bassline matching the guitar a "rule"??
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the guitarist in the band i just joined seems to think that ALL of my bassline should follow his guitar or the other guitarist's. I'm not down with that, because i like matching the drums and guitar and having my own independent thing for a fill. But he thinks ALL of it should match.
Is he right and i'm just being foolish?
or what??
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11-07-2007, 08:54 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: St. Louis | | i say do what you want though, he shouldnt be the one to dictate what you play  .
I do follow our rhythm guitarist for the most part but then again they do let me have my moment and i have thrown in some very nice fills i even have a nice solo in one of the songs
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11-07-2007, 09:49 PM
| | | | the guy's an idiot. If anything, he should be following you!!
I despise following the guitar line...it's so simple and ignorant. Bass is so much more than that. I often make a groove that follows both the drums and voice and make sure that it HARMONIZES with the guitar. There is a difference between harmonizing with someone and following someone. When you harmonize, you make sure to play in key, follow the scale, and try to stick to the chord changes.
I'm no pro, but I'm pretty sure that's how it goes.
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11-07-2007, 09:57 PM
| | | | Depends on the song/music. A lot of metal, rock and punk wouldn't work if the bass was too different from the guitar. |
11-07-2007, 10:37 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cincinnati OH | | If it's a rule, I ought to be in prison... 
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11-07-2007, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by nysbob If it's a rule, I ought to be in prison... | Big +1 on that one dude, id be in san quentin on death row.
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11-07-2007, 10:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario Canada | | | It can depend on what type of music you're playing. I find that in lots of rock and metal bands the bass will often follow the guitar, but it's never for 100% of the time. If the band is more bluesy or jazzy, bass and guitar lines are for the most part independant.
The important thing is just play to serve the song.
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11-07-2007, 11:13 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Boise, ID USA | | | In music theory, there's a thing called "independence of voices." What it means is, the sound is better when instruments have different parts, instead of sounding like one extended instrument. When one voice is moving, the other should be still. Or when one is going up, another should be going down, etc. But hey, that's just what a bunch of old dead guys (and some of the best arrangers and best bassists around) said. |
11-07-2007, 11:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springfield, MO | | | don't listen to him if he's just trying to dumb down your bass lines to make him feel more comfortable |
11-07-2007, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by elpelotero I often make a groove that follows both the drums and voice and make sure that it HARMONIZES with the guitar. | Me too! I find it makes things more interesting for everybody. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave R the sound is better when instruments have different parts, instead of sounding like one extended instrument. | I agree. But in some genres (ones that have a fat guitar sound) the "one extended instrument" can definitely have it's place (eg:Silverchair).
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11-08-2007, 12:05 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: PM me for this ;) | | | I follow the guitarist a lot, but in a way that adds a lot of supportive character to the lead and rythum sections, I follow the drums when needed to compliment the guitars, other times I do my own thing, only to add a sense of power to the guitars. its an awesome instrument, I can add whatever to which ever band member if need be.
Usually, I just do my own thing, but in a way that adds an amazing amount of depth to whatever is being done at the moment.
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11-08-2007, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave R In music theory, there's a thing called "independence of voices." What it means is, the sound is better when instruments have different parts, instead of sounding like one extended instrument. | Well, more independent anyway. I don't know where you got the idea that popular approaches are better than all the others.
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11-08-2007, 01:38 AM
| | | | tell him to get an octave down pedal and quit. sounds like a control freak |
11-08-2007, 02:07 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Los Angeles / West Hollywood | | | He doesn't know what he's talking about. It sounds like he's relying on you to fatten up his sound. On some songs, especialy heavier songs, doubling the guitar can definately fatten things up, but if you did it on every song, your band's songs would seriously lose depth and get boring real quick.
He's the guitar player. You're the bass player. He needs to respect you as a musician and respect what YOU bring to the band. Ignore him. |
11-08-2007, 02:39 AM
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11-08-2007, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ThunderSix66 don't listen to him if he's just trying to dumb down your bass lines to make him feel more comfortable | AMEN!!!! I find this happens 90% of the time!!! Especially when it is one of thoes guitar players who think bass players just couldnt cut it on guitar, that why they play bass. Then just sit back, be cool, and blow their heads off!!! "YEah thats right, bass players can move up the neck too mo-fo's"!!! Just remember if it wasnt for the bass player...the guitar players would look like idiots!!!! Its the bass that gets the booties shaking!!! |
11-08-2007, 07:00 AM
| | | | depend on what you want, if you want to just keep the bass sound, then you can do what he want. You can also follow the drum, and do some groove line(eg. play when the drummer kick his bass drum) You can also do some kind of variation or even some nice melody fill in appropriate.
Normally if you play punk, you would follow the guitar, but not always, song like "In Pieces" by Sum 41 got nice melodic bass fill, so it simply depend on what you want.
Anyway this guitar guy sound like a usual ego-guitarist, who want to be the lead and wants to play down the others in the band.
I used to be in band, and the vocalist(not a guitarist) want me to follow the guitar, because he is used to it, but then me and the guitarist(yes the guitarist) convince him that bass can do that what he usually listen to. Anyway the guitarist like slap pop stuff, so yea. |
11-08-2007, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by TeeMartin Depends on the song/music. A lot of metal, rock and punk wouldn't work if the bass was too different from the guitar. | Big +1 on that..
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11-08-2007, 07:18 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: PA | | | Following what the guitarist does exactly sounds pretty boring to me.... Tell him to get an octave pedal... Ha!
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11-08-2007, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by gre107 Tell him to get an octave pedal... Ha! |  | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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