Youtube disclaimer?

grifff · #1 08-01-2009, 11:24 PM

I've seen a few videos with some sort of disclaimer in the description. Do I need to put one there if I play along to a bands song? I would only be covering it, nothing else.

Thanks.

rarisgod · #2 08-02-2009, 12:04 AM

I'm unsure what you're referring to, but personally I think it's ridiculous that copyrights are even an issue on YouTube. Please correct any of what I'm saying if it's incorrect, as it's late and maybe I'm not thinking straight, but why should there be any copyright issues with someone covering/using a song that's being put on the internet with nothing being earned from it? I could see if the song/material was used in a video that was bringing in profit, then ok, royalties and copyrights are an issue. But I mean for a free video that's tossed up on a site? Why do copyrights apply?

Again if I'm wrong please someone explain it properly...

GradyBass · #3 08-02-2009, 12:09 AM

I think OP is referring to a new disclaimer alot of people are putting on their videos nowadays. It is usually to the tune of "No copyright infringement intended" then the copyright and authorship follows.

I think it's just a cover-your-arse move, but maybe YouTube was pulling down videos?

rarisgod · #4 08-02-2009, 12:29 AM

YouTube keeps muting the audio on videos due to copyrighted songs that were not approved or whatever. It's annoying. I saw a video of "Constant Motion in the Studio" (Dream Theater) but it had a COMPLETELY different song playing over due to YouTube removing the audio.

So basically we're not allowed to post our own versions of songs on YouTube anymore? I don't understand...

paul_wolfe · #5 08-02-2009, 03:57 AM

Firstly if you want playalongs of songs head over to Marlowe's new 'youtube' style site - whcih is called YOUPLAYALONG.com.

With YouTube it's hit or miss if you post playalongs to copyrighted material. YouTube has an audio content match - so one way of getting around it is to either play along to a karaoke track OR you could detune your bass a half step and detune the original (if you have a Tascam Bass Trainer or something similar) and that will get past the content match. But it's a pain in the ass.

Alvaro Martín Gómez A. · #6 08-02-2009, 07:04 AM

As far as I know, there's no problem with cover videos as long as they are completely live. The problem lies in the fact of using the original recording as a backing track for your playing (I guess you can use a MIDI track for that purpose with no problem). Unfortunately, the law says that...

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* It doesn't matter how long or short the clip is, or exactly how it got to YouTube. If you taped it off cable, videotaped your TV screen, or downloaded it from some other website, you still need the copyright owner's permission to distribute.
* It doesn't matter whether or not you give credit to the owner/author/songwriter -- it may still be copyright infringement.
* It doesn't matter that you are not selling the video for money -- it may still be copyright infringement.
* It doesn't matter whether or not the video contains a copyright notice -- it may still be copyright infringement.
* It doesn't matter whether other similar videos appear on our site -- it may still be copyright infringement.
* It doesn't matter if you created a video made of short clips of copyrighted content—even though you edited it together, it may still be copyright infringement.
* It doesn't matter if you purchased the content at issue; whether a CD, DVD, videogame, download or otherwise -- it may still be copyright infringement.

Some record labels are very cool about using their original recordings (EMI, for instance). Others don't ask to take your videos down but block them in many countries (Universal Music Group) and others won't definitely allow you to use their material without permission (Warner Music Group). I wanted to record my versions of Rod Stewart's "Da Ya Think I'm Sexy?" and RHCP's "Aeroplane", but since both are Warner artists I abandoned the idea.

YouTube offers you the option of disputing the claim if you consider that your video falls into the "fair use" category. I used it successfully when my "Lemon Song" video was removed, but it didn't work for my "What Is Hip?" video. This is what you'll see if you try to reach it.

And yes, the cool guys from the "Living Room Rock Gods" channel uploaded this video that you can download and use. Maybe it helps, but since WMG has such prohibitive policies, I think they'll keep removing videos featuring their material in spite of putting a disclaimer in front of your video.

grifff · #7 08-02-2009, 08:48 AM

I really think it's ridiculous that we can't even cover songs and put them on Youtube....

Valerus · #8 08-02-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by paul_wolfe

Firstly if you want playalongs of songs head over to Marlowe's new 'youtube' style site - whcih is called YOUPLAYALONG.com.

thanks for the link!

Alvaro Martín Gómez A. · #9 08-02-2009, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by grifff

I really think it's ridiculous that we can't even cover songs and put them on Youtube....

Absolutely. The people at WMG are so short-minded that they can't even see that cover videos actually make people discover music and artists that they never heard of before. Actually, cover videos can help record companies to increase sales.

grifff · #10 08-02-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvaro Martín Gómez A.

Absolutely. The people at WMG are so short-minded that they can't even see that cover videos actually make people discover music and artists that they never heard of before. Actually, cover videos can help record companies to increase sales.

Oh well

is there anything I should put in my cover videos just for the hell of it? Hopefully to avoid them getting muted?

J. Crawford · #11 08-02-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alvaro Martín Gómez A.

Absolutely. The people at WMG are so short-minded that they can't even see that cover videos actually make people discover music and artists that they never heard of before. Actually, cover videos can help record companies to increase sales.

My dad has always said the same thing. Kids covering artists songs, or adults

, show other musicians the song.. making them want the album, and the cycle continues.

I just dont understand.

Jazz Ad · #12 08-02-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rarisgod

I'm unsure what you're referring to, but personally I think it's ridiculous that copyrights are even an issue on YouTube. Please correct any of what I'm saying if it's incorrect, as it's late and maybe I'm not thinking straight, but why should there be any copyright issues with someone covering/using a song that's being put on the internet with nothing being earned from it? I could see if the song/material was used in a video that was bringing in profit, then ok, royalties and copyrights are an issue. But I mean for a free video that's tossed up on a site? Why do copyrights apply?

Again if I'm wrong please someone explain it properly...

Radios, TV, bars, shops, they all pay for the right to play music. Why would it be different for YouTube which is just another media?

rarisgod · #13 08-04-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazz Ad

Radios, TV, bars, shops, they all pay for the right to play music. Why would it be different for YouTube which is just another media?

A valid point I suppose...but I, like many others, find these covers helpful...cover bands don't have to pay to play songs anywhere, do they? In fact they get paid for it.

Mind you the song they're covering isn't playing in the background...maybe I'm just contradicting myself.