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03-20-2004, 02:08 AM
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In a related thread there is a little discussion going on about greatest american composer where a TB member stated the bela fleck was the greatest and ive come back saying...well he is good but there are other composers *Cough George Clinton cough cough* who i think deserve that title/respect a bit more and so forth  http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showth...68#post1375068
But in my statement i quoted Charles Mingus and im not sure if he is american or not.....so can anyone answer my question to wherever he is american or not?
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Heath
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03-20-2004, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by heath_the_great In a related thread there is a little discussion going on about greatest american composer where a TB member stated the bela fleck was the greatest... | I hope Charles Ives was mentioned as a *great* American composer.
And geez...of course, Mingus was born in the US.
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03-20-2004, 11:52 AM
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03-20-2004, 09:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Newcastle - Australia | | well jim...here in australia theres not much jazz resources...ive had a hard enough time trying to find any mingus recordings.....ive found a few posters though and theyre laminated and on my wall ....i haven't found any stanley clarke either...i had to get 1,2 to the bass imported from canada...which took 3 months to get here  ....
but i said mingus was great...up there with george clinton
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03-20-2004, 09:44 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Los Angeles | | | Mingus was born in Nogales, Az and raised in the Watts section of Los Angeles. He passed away in Mexico after a battle with Lou Gerhig's disease.
He never did anything halfway. All or nothing with him. Spoke his mind. We need more musicians like him. |
03-22-2004, 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by heath_the_great well jim...here in australia theres not much jazz resources...ive had a hard enough time trying to find any mingus recordings | Well....we all have this little thing called the internet and you can put words into things called search engines..... 
So - put "Charles Mingus" into Google and you will find vast amounts of information!!
Look on Amazon.com and search for "Mingus" and get details of hundreds of recordings - even sound samples!!
It's all there, if you can be bothered to look?
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03-22-2004, 05:33 AM
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03-23-2004, 12:17 AM
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Dave wrote, "We need more musicians like him." I couldn't agree more. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Davehenning Mingus was born in Nogales, Az and raised in the Watts section of Los Angeles. He passed away in Mexico after a battle with Lou Gerhig's disease.
He never did anything halfway. All or nothing with him. Spoke his mind. We need more musicians like him. | |
03-23-2004, 12:28 AM
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Ellington, one of the greatest composers of the 20th century, was idolized by Mingus, first for his compositional and arranging skills, but also perhaps for Ellington's diplomatic refinement-a trait of which Mingus was not known to have in abundance. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Davehenning Mingus was born in Nogales, Az and raised in the Watts section of Los Angeles. He passed away in Mexico after a battle with Lou Gerhig's disease.
He never did anything halfway. All or nothing with him. Spoke his mind. We need more musicians like him. | |
03-23-2004, 12:39 AM
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Wil, Have you ever run across any articles or interviews that mentioned Frank's views about The Duke or Mingus, or what Duke or Mingus thought of Frank? My opinion, it's a moot point and they may have seen that way as well. (speculative) Quote: |
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03-23-2004, 01:03 AM
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03-23-2004, 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by heath_the_great no need for sarcasm, some of us have full time jobs | But it's just not true to say that in Australia : "theres not much jazz resources" - no matter where you live, it takes 30 seconds to type in Google and find the official Mingus site which will tell you anything you need to know.
How long did it take you to go to TB and type in this thread?
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03-23-2004, 01:38 AM
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Mingus: "Beneath The Underdog" no reference to Frank, but Duke? |
03-24-2004, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by heath_the_great no need for sarcasm, some of us have full time jobs | Day jobs or not, most of us have the time to do a little research before coming into the threads...especially someone as common, compelling and as colorful as Mingus. Wondering if Mingus was American or not really shows a lack of reasearch no matter where you live.
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03-24-2004, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by heath_the_great no need for sarcasm, some of us have full time jobs | ya just can't win huh? i'll stay outta this one. good luck bro... |
03-24-2004, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul Warburton Day jobs or not, most of us have the time to do a little research before coming into the threads... | well when you have a job a strenuous as mine, you really cant be bothered, digging trenches, climbing in roof spaces becoming dripping wet in sweat and covered in insulation, moving and installing phone systems, crawling under houses, the last house i had to get under i had to kill 40 red back spiders, hauling cable through pits in the street....not to mention having to get up at 5am and getting home at about 4-5pm or even later, i worked 20 hours one day and still worked the next day....so if you think thats nothing BLOW ME!
thats all ive got to say, im sorry im dumb and decided to ask some 'Friendly' people in here for some information, of course some people answered me with some respect, but as always someone had to be sarcastic and say "derrr, you're dumb, look it up yourself, Derrrr"
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03-24-2004, 05:27 PM
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Cry us a river, you think you're the only working stiff on this planet... like always, I was up at 4:30am, drove 1/2 an hour tothe train just to ride for another 45 minutes so I could put in my 9 hour day just to do it over again the next day... oh did I mention the 20 minute walk to and from the station tothe office 
I'm too busy to deal with lazy people!
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03-24-2004, 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by HEATH_THE_BAR WAL WHEN U HAEV A JOB A STR3NUOUS AS MIEN U RILLY CANT B THEIR DIGNG TRANCHES CLIMBNG IN ROF SPAECS BCOMNG DRIPNG W3T IN SWEAT AND COVERAD IN INSULATION MOVNG AND INSTALNG PHONE SYSTEMS CRAWLNG UND3R HOUSES DA LAST HOUSE I HAD 2 G3T UND3R I HAD 2 KIL 40 RAD BAK SPIEDRS HAULNG CABLE THROUGH PITS IN DA STRET..NOT1!!!111!!!!1!1!!!!111111!!1! *** 2 MENTION HAVNG 2 G3T UP AT 5M AND GATNG HOMA AT ABOUT 4-5PM OR EVEN L8R I WORKED 20 HOURS ONE DAY AND STIL WORK3D DA NEXT DAY..SO1!1!!!1!1!!11!!!!!!!!!11!!!! OMG *** IF U THINK TAHTS NOTHNG BLOW M3
TAHTS1!!1!1 OMG *** AL IEV GOT 2 SAY IM SORY IM DUMB AND D3CIEDD 2 ASK SOM3 FREINDLY PEOPLE IN H3R3 FOR SOME INFORMATION OF COURS3 SOME P3OPLE ANSWERAD ME WIT SOME R3SP3CT BUT AS ALWAYS SOMEON3 HAD 2 B SARCASTIC AND SAY D3RR UR DUMB LOK IT UP UR D3RR | Oh, that's lovely. You don't mind busting your @$$ digging ditches, killing bugs in roofspaces, etc., but a google search is too much trouble? Uh-huh.
Thread closed. Don't try a repeat performance - I can personally promise you it wouldn't go well.
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