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10-18-2006, 10:07 AM
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I caught Mehldau's trio at the Village Vanguard on Friday. I saw the 11 and 12:30 sets, and they were killing. Larry played a ridiculously funky line on Brad's cover of Oasis' wonderwall. Does anybody know if the vanguard gigs are going to be turned into another live at the vanguard album?
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10-18-2006, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling I caught Mehldau's trio at the Village Vanguard on Friday. I saw the 11 and 12:30 sets, and they were killing. Larry played a ridiculously funky line on Brad's cover of Oasis' wonderwall. Does anybody know if the vanguard gigs are going to be turned into another live at the vanguard album? | so jelous of you right now. Really i want to see that group so bad. |
10-19-2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling Does anybody know if the vanguard gigs are going to be turned into another live at the vanguard album? | If you saw a bunch of wires and mics and recording equipment, then probably yes.
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10-19-2006, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Fuqua If you saw a bunch of wires and mics and recording equipment, then probably yes. | Yeah, everything was super mic'd and there were microphones hanging from the ceiling. I have no doubt it was recorded but i was wondering if there was any news of an upcoming art of the trio album, except with jeff ballard on set.
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10-19-2006, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling Larry played a ridiculously funky line on Brad's cover of Oasis' wonderwall. | Is there a recording of that anywhere? |
10-22-2006, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Clay_Bass Is there a recording of that anywhere? | The thought of it sounds 'bad minus' to me. 
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10-22-2006, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Crumpton The thought of it sounds 'bad minus' to me. | Yeah but I hold brad to a much higher level than that. Id love to hear what he did with it even if I dont really like it. |
10-22-2006, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Clay_Bass Yeah but I hold brad to a much higher level than that. Id love to hear what he did with it even if I dont really like it. | - I don't. I really hate that trend, whether from Brad, Bad Plus or Mats Gustafson's (otherwise one of my favorite saxophonists) The Thing.
I guess part of it is hating pop music in the first place..... |
10-22-2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by damonsmith - I don't. I really hate that trend, whether from Brad, Bad Plus or Mats Gustafson's (otherwise one of my favorite saxophonists) The Thing.
I guess part of it is hating pop music in the first place..... | basically they turned the head into a funk groove, and then solo'd over what sounded like minor blues with altered changes. It wasn't bad i assure you. |
10-23-2006, 06:05 AM
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do you seeing what is the current setup (strings, pickup, mic, ampli) that larry grenadier is using now?
anyone that know something about it can reply.
thanks, tito. |
10-23-2006, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tito mangialajo hi alex,
do you seeing what is the current setup (strings, pickup, mic, ampli) that larry grenadier is using now?
anyone that know something about it can reply.
thanks, tito. |
Last time I saw him he had Helicore Orchestra E&A; Oliv D and Anima G. Pretty strange set up, huh ? |
10-23-2006, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by basstef Last time I saw him he had Helicore Orchestra E&A; Oliv D and Anima G. Pretty strange set up, huh ? | he might have had something close to that. His E, A and D were all uniform but the G was orange. He had no amplification really. Just a mic that went direct into the board and a monitor behind him, he was pretty quiet most of the night. |
10-23-2006, 11:59 AM
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10-23-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling basically they turned the head into a funk groove, and then solo'd over what sounded like minor blues with altered changes. It wasn't bad i assure you. | - Kind of points out that is it not a musically compelling piece, but the name recognition panders to softcore alt rock listeners really well.
I just don't buy it.
There is just no shortage of great material for musicians of that caliber to play. |
10-23-2006, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by damonsmith - Kind of points out that is it not a musically compelling piece, but the name recognition panders to softcore alt rock listeners really well.
I just don't buy it.
There is just no shortage of great material for musicians of that caliber to play. | maybe its a testament to the trio's incredible collective virtuosity that they were able to transform a mundane song into a fun, thoughtful musical experience. |
10-23-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling ...any news of an upcoming art of the trio album, except with jeff ballard on set. | Jeff Ballard is part of the regular trio now. I don't think Jorge was fired or anything, I believe it was pretty amiable. Just decisions to go a different direction. |
10-23-2006, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Spradling maybe its a testament to the trio's incredible collective virtuosity that they were able to transform a mundane song into a fun, thoughtful musical experience. | I think you mean fun, thoughtful financial experience! |
10-23-2006, 02:08 PM
|  | Moderator Moderator | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN | | | I know that this discussion has been held elsewhere on this forum at length, concerning the same group and with some of the same principals. If I had the link, I would post it for people to read, and I don't mean to get it going again. But I must ask: how does covering an old and admittedly crappy pop tune actually translate into more dollars for anyone (Brad Mehldau, Herbie, Iverson and Co.)? It's not as if a bunch of teenagers walking down Seventh Avenue will recognize the strains of an Oasis tune coming through the "minor blues with altered changes" and run down into the club, paying admission and ordering a Mehldau CD from Amazon.com on their Blackberry at the same time. I would think more jazz fans would seek out the originals of the tune than fans of the originals would seek out the jazz versions; I know that's often the case for me with these things (I was introduced to a lot of interesting pop music via Herbie's "The New Standard," stuff I would never have listened to because at the time I was quite a pop music snob; I'm glad that happened, because a great song is a great song and I now admire people like Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon whom I never would have listened to in the past).
OK, I will admit that "The New Standard" was basically a marketing ploy considering that the whole album consists of covers and considering that Herbie has shown himself to have a nose for big profits. But the covers are thoughtful and well done; market appeal doesn't by definition equate to a lack of artistic quality, just as covering a pop song doesn't by definition equate to high market appeal. (There are plenty of hilariously bad, low-selling pop cover albums by good jazz musicians from the 1960s to prove that.) |
10-23-2006, 03:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Chicago | | | I basically look at it this way. In straight ahead jazz situations most of the tunes are at least 40 years old. These are great tunes, no question. While I don't always groove on the tunes Brad chooses there is no harm in injecting some new life into the jazz repertiore. Some of the arrangements that he, Herbie, MMW, Bad Plus, etc do are weak but are pretty great too.
I also think this idea has empowered people to look for tunes outside of the jazz idiom. I did a 5/4 jazz arrangement of 'Let's Get It Started' by the Black Eyed Peas.
Besides, wasn't what happened with 'My Favorite Things' the same thing? The movie was 1959 the Coltrane recording was 1960. |
10-23-2006, 04:41 PM
| | Moderator Moderator | | Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bloomington, IN | | | Yes, that's what happened with "My Favorite Things" (and the musical came out before the movie, naturally). Also "Stella By Starlight," "I Got Rhythm," "My Funny Valentine," "What Is This Thing Called Love," "All Of You," and a thousand other tunes we call "standards" which all started off as pop tunes. And quickly became about as recognizable to their original audiences as Mehldau's version of "Wonderwall" probably is to an Oasis fan. |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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