Successor to NHOP?

Snarf · #1 10-27-2006, 04:13 PM

Is there anyone out there now that uses his crazy 3 finger technique? Are there any big players now that could be considered the "successor" to him?

Alex Spradling · #2 10-27-2006, 05:37 PM

Alot of people use three fingers...Bromberg and Clarke come to mind...and their 3 finger technique is ALOT cleaner than his.

Successor? Well that implies that NHOP was the apex of all jazz bass playing ever...There's tons of incredible bassists playing today that are picking up where NHOP and a gagillion other guys left off.

Gilbert F · #3 10-27-2006, 09:25 PM

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...Bromberg and Clarke come to mind...and their 3 finger technique is ALOT cleaner than his.

I beg to differ.

Alex Spradling · #4 10-28-2006, 01:31 PM

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...Bromberg and Clarke come to mind...and their 3 finger technique is ALOT cleaner than his.

I beg to differ.

Ok beg.

I'm just playing........ what part do you disagree with?

rprowse · #5 10-28-2006, 04:49 PM

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...Bromberg and Clarke come to mind...and their 3 finger technique is ALOT cleaner than his.

I beg to differ.

Me too.
I have a recording of NHOP soloing over a very fast Sweet Georgia Brown with Oscar P. I haven't heard better... I guess Stanley would be up for that though.

Alex Spradling · #6 10-28-2006, 06:28 PM

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Me too.
I have a recording of NHOP soloing over a very fast Sweet Georgia Brown with Oscar P. I haven't heard better... I guess Stanley would be up for that though.

The one with oscar peterson and ray brown? I'm not saying that he couldn't play quite fast. (Nor that playing fast is the hallmark of a great player.) I said that others have expanded on his technique and taken it to a new level, that was what the question was. I'm assuming you guys have heard Bromberg really go for it....(not that he doesn't do that every solo, haha.)

Gilbert F · #7 10-30-2006, 10:18 PM

First of all, I think that NHOP, Bromberg, and Clarke all have their own styles and techniques. However, I think NHOP had pretty much the cleanest 3-finger technique around. Bromberg, while he has incredibly clean technique and all that, you can't even compare his style to NHOP's. It's like apples and oranges. And don't even get me started on Stanley Clarke. Yeah, I guess he has his original musical ideas and what not, but IMHO his technique sucks. I've seen the videos.

As far as a successor to NHOP, I can't think of anyone offhand who plays in a remotely similar style, but there are numerous people (McBride, Bromberg, Doky, Grenadier, etc) who have obviously been influenced by him.

Alex Spradling · #8 10-31-2006, 08:32 AM

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First of all, I think that NHOP, Bromberg, and Clarke all have their own styles and techniques. However, I think NHOP had pretty much the cleanest 3-finger technique around. Bromberg, while he has incredibly clean technique and all that, you can't even compare his style to NHOP's. It's like apples and oranges. And don't even get me started on Stanley Clarke. Yeah, I guess he has his original musical ideas and what not, but IMHO his technique sucks. I've seen the videos.

As far as a successor to NHOP, I can't think of anyone offhand who plays in a remotely similar style, but there are numerous people (McBride, Bromberg, Doky, Grenadier, etc) who have obviously been influenced by him.

Of course you can't compare different musician's styles, they're different musicians. I hate doing the joe vs. tom crap, that's why i went at it on a technical level. Bromberg's 3 finger technique and (you can throw in his left hand and tapping too) are incredible and that's what i was trying to say. I think his right hand was as developed as NHOP's 10 years ago. (You can only make statements like this from a technical standpoint, going at it from a wholistic stand point doesn't bode well.)

WillBuckingham · #9 11-02-2006, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Snarf

Is there anyone out there now that uses his crazy 3 finger technique? Are there any big players now that could be considered the "successor" to him?

Sorry to bud in with the noob question, but can you describe the technique for me? I love all my recordings of NHOP, but have never seen a video, and don't know anything about his technique.

EDIT: Nevermind, found this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx7lkfViTIY

I had no idea anyone played like this. Wow!

rprowse · #10 11-04-2006, 10:57 PM

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The one with oscar peterson and ray brown? I'm not saying that he couldn't play quite fast. (Nor that playing fast is the hallmark of a great player.) I said that others have expanded on his technique and taken it to a new level, that was what the question was. I'm assuming you guys have heard Bromberg really go for it....(not that he doesn't do that every solo, haha.)

To be honest, I haven't heard Bromberg in full flight. When I first played Neils playing SGB to my wife she said,
"That sounds like a moth!" It was a neat moment! We all probably know that string choice has a big influence on speed (assuming that the player in question has the goods). When I was starting out on contrabbasso (1976-7). I was very fortunate to hear NHOP (and Stanley) and realised that the big viol had huge potential. For me NHOP will always be a monster.