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11-19-2008, 04:30 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA | | | I saw Mr. Haden play last month for the first time live. I've been in the "I don't really get it" camp and I have to say after seeing him live that I still don't really get it. But, I respect him and agree that he has a significant place in the pages of jazz history.
And I do that thing with my finger sometimes too, although I do know why or how I started. A drummer asked me once what I was trying to signal to him when I did that.
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11-20-2008, 12:14 AM
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I dunno if this was mentioned, but Charlie's daughter Petra ( I think) is married to Jack Black.
I did Haden's solo off of Body and Soul for my very first transcription for Chris Fitzgerald and it absolutely kicked my backside. He's not a chopsy guy, but in terms of musicality he's top shelf. That, and he can stretch the time and groove so hard...He's got the amazing ability to never get in the way and not know how to suck
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11-28-2008, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TroyK  I saw Mr. Haden play last month for the first time live. I've been in the "I don't really get it" camp and I have to say after seeing him live that I still don't really get it. But, I respect him and agree that he has a significant place in the pages of jazz history.
And I do that thing with my finger sometimes too, although I do know why or how I started. A drummer asked me once what I was trying to signal to him when I did that. | From what I have heard of his recent work, you might need a time machine to get it at this point. I wouldn't call myself a fan, but I appreciate his contribution.
There are a lot of recordings where his limited technique has a lot of charm and gets the job done.
He has had a long and extremely varied career and I don't think anyone would argue that he has the chops to carry the length and variety. |
11-28-2008, 11:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA | | | He did play a very melodic solo, very musical.
I need to go back and listen to the Ornette Coleman recordings. I think that's where he perhaps came into his own.
I respect his contribution too. I just don't quite get it. There are a few others like that who are reveared. I know so many GREAT local guys (like some of you) that when we talk about greatness and infamy with some of these legends, I struggle a bit sometimes.
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11-28-2008, 11:36 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | | I think if Haden would have stayed in his niche that he just owns his, to use Braxton's term, "reception dynamics" would be a lot less complex |
01-12-2009, 06:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Montreal | | | He has big ears, he listens to he others, he plays what it needs to be played, he is very melodic. I do not care if he plays with his tongue or wathever. he is a marvelous musician. |
01-12-2009, 07:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Houston, Tx | | Quote:
Originally Posted by bassbuddie He has big ears, he listens to he others, he plays what it needs to be played, he is very melodic. I do not care if he plays with his tongue or wathever. he is a marvelous musician. | Well, all that is not always as present tense as we would like!
Haden has had a long and interesting career - that can never be taken away from him.
However, there is much to learn both positive and negative from him and I don't think an honest discussion about someone who cemented his "giant" status in jazz history long ago should be out of the question.
He has many great recordings that document his ground breaking approach and just as many if not more that do the opposite.
I find the whole thing fascinating. |
03-01-2009, 07:25 PM
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I think that what Haden was doing with double stops on "Science Fiction" is just as good as it gets. I admit that I have not listen to much of him with Metheny...but what he contributed to the Ornette group is monumental and beautiful. He is the best. Him Mingus and Richard Davis...
Listen to his solo on the alternate take of Street Woman, it should change your perspective |
03-28-2009, 06:49 AM
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I made it through the first 3 pages of this thread and then started reading backward so that I've only skimmed through about 6 or 7 pages and I'm sure it's been said before, but for what it's worth, I dig Charlie Haden's playing because of his note choice, his use of space and the way he makes everybody else sound so good.
Friends that come over regularly think I have a limited selection of albums since they inevitably have to listen to Night and the City at least once if not twice... I love the tone he gets on solos in the Land of the Sun Album... I mean, here's a legend who's played with Ornette Coleman, so many years ago... and I can only listen to Ornette Coleman for a limited time, so I don't know all of the stuff Haden did with him... my wife asks, "why are you listening to stuff that sounds like an elephant in heat?" and I say "because I'm listening for the bass... it's Haden" and she says, "he played with him? You're lying right?"
She gets his stuff with the Cuban pianist Rubencalvo,or Kenny Barron, but can't understand what he was doing playing with Coleman. Just a testament to his versatility. She recently bought me the CD he did with his family members, and I was not aware of the history of his totally musical family. I LOVED Jack Black's singing...
Anyway, sorry if I go on and on... One last anecdote: Few years ago was at David Gage's and one of Charlie Haden's basses was there on consignment. I think they were asking about 25 - 30K. I plucked a few notes, thinking I'd hear Charlie Haden's tone... wasn't there.. I asked, why's it so expensive? I thought to myself, I guess it's all in the hands... so I stuck with my Cleveland and am still trying to play those few notes, those perfect notes that make the bandmates grateful to have someone who's concerned with making them sound better... The beauty and simplicity of melodic note choice and pure bass tone...That's what I love about his playing.... |
03-28-2009, 07:23 AM
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03-28-2009, 10:15 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City area | | My favorite Haden is this CD he did with Denny Zeitlin. http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p...0:fcfpxq9gldde
His playing is really inspired and beautiful.
If I had to have only one thing to remember him by for eternity, this would be it.
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03-28-2009, 12:10 PM
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03-28-2009, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Humberto Few years ago was at David Gage's and one of Charlie Haden's basses was there on consignment. I think they were asking about 25 - 30K. I plucked a few notes, thinking I'd hear Charlie Haden's tone... wasn't there.. | Probably why he was selling it. The high price may have something to do with its pedigree as "Charlie Haden's bass...". |  | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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