cleat and patch- difference?

wayne holmes · #1 12-07-2009, 08:05 PM

please explain the difference in a cleat and a patch?

scott reed · #2 12-07-2009, 08:27 PM

Just a thought from a non-repairman but would a patch be inlaid into the
existing wood surface while a cleat would be seated on top of the joined
wood surfaces?

wayne holmes · #3 12-07-2009, 10:27 PM

hi Scott, I have probably put on at least 500 patches in the last four years, repairing, restoring- I have inlaid, large, small, surface patched- but to be honest I don't know if I have be patching or cleating, or both- it seems to me that cleating should be the act of going into the wood somehow connecting - say the surface on both sides of crack. Yet, I remember my grandma doing that when she sewed or mended a tear in a pair of Granpa's trousers, but I never heard her use the word cleat. Cleating...it's a myterious thing- come on Matthew- enlighten us Mate.

Eric Rene Roy · #4 12-08-2009, 02:19 AM

seconding what Scott said...a patch is in the wood and a cleat is on the wood.

I've never heard anyone say soundpost cleat.

wayne holmes · #5 12-08-2009, 09:06 AM

Thanks, this is helping-then I have installed about 500 cleats in the last 4 years.

inlaid-patch inlayed -patch inlaid patch- cleat on the meat cleat on the meat I'VE GOT IT1

Jake deVilliers · #6 12-08-2009, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Rene Roy

seconding what Scott said...a patch is in the wood and a cleat is on the wood.

I've never heard anyone say soundpost cleat.

+1 on what Scott said.

'Soundpost cleat!'

I have a photo of one but I can't find it right now...

forester · #7 12-08-2009, 07:33 PM

witnessed a cleatch...

wayne holmes · #8 12-09-2009, 02:23 PM

forester-lol, I once witnessed a plaid pleach glued on top of a double cleatch... ...It was a horrible sight

wayne holmes · #9 12-10-2009, 11:38 AM

why are we now talking about a sound post anything? IMHO

Thanks for all the info- got to go cleat some patches

Scott, come see me and bring your French bass- and we will compare--if you are up this way

Eric Rene Roy · #10 12-10-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wayne holmes

why are we now talking about a sound post anything? IMHO

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Rene Roy

...I've never heard anyone say soundpost cleat.

Because I referenced it as an example of accepted nomenclature in the industry between a cleat and a patch.

wayne holmes · #11 12-10-2009, 05:24 PM

wayne holmes · #12 12-10-2009, 06:43 PM

It seems to me that the word cleat is unnecessary in the glossary of terms for luthiery-
inlaid patch and surface patch seem to do it better. "Cleat", however, does sound more complicated -A conversation between Luthier and customer: Lu-oh my, this type of crack, well(as he plays with his goatee) a patch won't do it, it will have to have a CLEAT! Cust- Oh my,(as he folds his arms as to defend himself) it will have to have a CLEAT, and I bet that will cost more than a patch? Lu- O, you bet ya!

as you can see, I am doing anything to prolong going back to work patching and cheating-I mean cleating

**Matthew Tucker** · #13 12-11-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wayne holmes

It seems to me that the word cleat is unnecessary in the glossary of terms for luthiery-
inlaid patch and surface patch seem to do it better.

um, sure, why use one word when you can use two?

1st Bass · #14 12-11-2009, 07:05 AM

A cleat is simply not a patch. It is a cross tie, a reinforcement, between two abutting members, whether at a seam, or a crack; whereas a patch replaces wood, to "patch" (repair) a damaged area.

Usually there is a reason for most words to exist.