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Old 03-13-2006, 12:39 PM
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Fish glue ?

I was just curious about fish glue, I saw it in the Dick catalog in Germany.

what difference is there?
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Old 03-13-2006, 01:24 PM
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Cool Gulp Gulp...

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I was just curious about fish glue, I saw it in the Dick catalog in Germany.

what difference is there?
Don't do it! For some horro stories, read thru here; http://www.talkbass.com/forum/search...archid=1989541

I saw one old French Bass that was repaired with Fishy stuff. It was back in the shop to be re-done.. At the Luthiers expense..

If it aint broke, done fix it.. Hide glue works just fine..
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Old 03-13-2006, 02:46 PM
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Fish glue in its proper form is supposed to be somewhat stronger than hide glue. But hide glue has proven itself to be perfect in traditional luthier application. Some luthiers recently had a problem using the fish glue sold by Kremer but it was in liquid form. Much the same as using Franklins liquid hide glue. As Ken said, don't bother.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:29 PM
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It's popular with restorers of player pianos. I understand it's better for those applications where you need a lighter, thinner glue, like gluing bellows.
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Old 03-13-2006, 04:36 PM
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Thanks guys, I was just curious.
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Old 03-13-2006, 05:10 PM
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I can't see the thread you reference Ken. So, without that thread...I maybe
wrong here...but perhaps the luthier who did the work did not know what they
were doing??? Fish glue is well received in the restoration world. Also
lots of speculation in the violin world that fish glue was the choice by the
Italian masters.

Fish glue is strong...and expensive. The benefit over traditional hide glue
will be in the area of repair and restoration...namely gluing fresh cracks.
The glue, when fresh, dries nearly invisible. The strength should be about
equal to hide glue...perhaps stronger.

The good stuff is expensive and made of the membrane from the swim bladder
of the sturgeon, which is becoming scarce owing to over fishing for caviar
(thus the prices). It can be pretty stinky! I have found it from Dick and
Kremer.

I have been told by a Cremonese restorer that Japanese varieties are
completely odorless and far stronger than hide glue. Good for cracks, but
bad for things you want to come apart (like tops). I am unaware of sources
for the Japanese varieties.

Good luck. I would try it in a repair or restoration application, not new making.
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