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11-23-2008, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban  Both? | Well I'm assuming that the slab-dudes are into women too - am I wrong?! 
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11-23-2008, 03:19 PM
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Owner/The Bass Spa, String Repairman/L & M Vancouver | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Crescent Beach, BC | | Molly, I'm glad you're leaving that bass with its history intact. Its tempting to re-make them in one's own image but I think its better to let them keep their stories intact.
That way, you never know when somebody will come up and say "Hey, I remember that bass from..."  |
11-23-2008, 05:51 PM
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11-23-2008, 06:16 PM
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11-23-2008, 07:10 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eugene, OR | | | On that note...
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Originally Posted by eroy You know they are there when you start carving...you just dont always know how many! My chisels thanked me for getting the xrays! | If I only had access to an x-ray machine.....
I just got a bass that has been veneered with thin ply over the entire back. I looked inside and to my surprise, there was all of the original bracing and the tattered original back held together with what appears to be self tapping wood screws.  |
11-23-2008, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkstrike 
60-yr-old Hammig 3/4 standup | Yeah and people are SO nice here, too!  |
11-23-2008, 09:01 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Bethlehem, PA | | Poor form, Warburton. Poor form.
You know what they say after, "Don't assume".....
And admittedly, Bassteban, I made the same mistake as Paul did when I first read your post. Hammig? Never heard of the maker/factory either. I've heard of Juzek, Wilfer, and a few others, but never heard of Hammig until now.
Next time, just say "my 65 year old German ply" and we'll understand. They're all pretty much the same IMO.
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11-23-2008, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban It's actually solid. But thank you all. | My bad. I thought I read plywood somewhere.
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11-24-2008, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bassteban (except for all those little pretend bass twangie things  ). | You mean those long guitars, of course.
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11-24-2008, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Darkstrike You mean those long guitars, of course. | Long ELECTRIC guitars! |
11-24-2008, 05:24 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eugene, OR | | Well Bassteban, it seems as though your avatar has brought you more grief than one would expect
Let's put this post back on track.
With all of these abstract attempts at bass repair, to what degree will we as players go to try and ammend these fixes? For instance, the bass that I have with the ply veneered back is not a good looker but the tone is fantastic. It seems illogical to me to try to restore the bass when its function is still proper, especially considering that the cost of the repair can often exceed the value of the instrument. I know that a few of us might still be somewhat ashamed of the condition of our instrument but it never stops us from takin' her out on the town, right? |
11-24-2008, 06:30 PM
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Owner/The Bass Spa, String Repairman/L & M Vancouver | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Crescent Beach, BC | | No grief at all, just good-natured razzing.
Its important to strike a balance when redressing crappy repairs and the cost/value ratio will rear its ugly head at some point. Some people place more value on cosmetic correctness, some value tone and playability above all, some will try to get you to take shortcuts.
I find the phrase "I don't do that kind of work" comes in handy sometimes.....  |
11-25-2008, 12:08 AM
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11-25-2008, 02:10 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | Ok - to resume...
The @1830's three-stringer that we're restoring/converting to 4 had cracks lined with Kellog Corn Flakes box tops and silk stockings (no joke - there are pics in the set up section). A fourth cello peg had been jammed into the scroll to hold a fourth string. The "best" was the back. Somebody had taken some Home Depot quality plywood, sketched out the shape of the bass, sawed it out and SCREWED it on!
I found it in the back of band shop and gave the guy $250 bucks for it because - remarkably - the top was intact and in great shape. It's been 18 months and XXXX dollars but Nick Roubas (who's doing the restoration) thinks it's going to be an amazing bass when done.
I hope he's right.
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11-25-2008, 08:34 AM
|  | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | | REPHRASE
My bass(not the one in the picture)has nails holding the top down and some very unsightly putty-like glop(bondo?)hiding God-knows-what)in the same vicinity(lower edge of top).
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11-25-2008, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bassteban My bass(not the one in the picture)has nails holding the top down and some very unsightly putty-like glop(bondo?)hiding God-knows-what)in the same vicinity(lower edge of top). | That's so unnecessary! |
11-25-2008, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LouisF Ok - to resume...
The @1830's three-stringer that we're restoring/converting to 4 had cracks lined with Kellog Corn Flakes box tops and silk stockings (no joke - there are pics in the set up section). A fourth cello peg had been jammed into the scroll to hold a fourth string. The "best" was the back. Somebody had taken some Home Depot quality plywood, sketched out the shape of the bass, sawed it out and SCREWED it on!
Louis | The silk stockings are a clever idea really but the "You can do it, we can help plywood back" is too much! |
11-25-2008, 11:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | | Another interesting bit is that the bass has been opened up at least three times, and the repairmen (I won't say luthiers) signed and dated their work 1850s, 1920s, 1970. No big deal. Just interesting.
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11-25-2008, 11:58 AM
| | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | Somewhere on TB(the DB sampler?)I've seen an image of the backside of a top; there are a good dozen(probably many more)cleats over a multitude of splits. IIRC they look well-executed, though- so again I'm posting inappropriately. 
Edit: Here- 15th pic from the top, depending on where the *one* is... http://www.talkingblues.net/talkinbass.html
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11-25-2008, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban Somewhere on TB(the DB sampler?)I've seen an image of the backside of a top; there are a good dozen(probably many more)cleats over a multitude of splits. IIRC they look well-executed, though- so again I'm posting inappropriately.
Edit: Here- 15th pic from the top, depending on where the *one* is... http://www.talkingblues.net/talkinbass.html | Yeah Steve, over the years, I've seen many old ones like this that appear to have more cleat wood in them than original wood.
Most of them having been done by master luthiers, in my experience at least, come out sounding for the better. Don't ask me how.
Not inappropriate at all.
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