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Old 04-08-2007, 12:10 PM
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Hello!

I have a carved DB that sounds nice...except I have multiple wolf tones. The F# is the worst, but the B and the A also are bad enough that I can't draw the bow without the wobble.

Is this a flaw in the bass or can it be corrected. I don't really want to dampen it down with a whole bunch of eliminators if I can help it.

Thanks!
Mark
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Old 04-08-2007, 01:30 PM
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This reply may get shot down, but a friend of mine had multiple wolfs (wolves).

We fiddled around by putting a small but very heavy woodworking G clamp on the tailpiece.
This dramatically improved the problem.

When he could afford it, the pretty solution was having a new heavy tailpiece made.
He still had a wolf A which was tamed with a eliminator.

I'm sure you can get a small metal G clamp for less than a quid (whats that in canadian? $3 or so?)
Just make sure you cover the grips with thin leather or similar so as not to damage the tailpiece.
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Old 04-08-2007, 06:48 PM
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Hello!

I have a carved DB that sounds nice...except I have multiple wolf tones. The F# is the worst, but the B and the A also are bad enough that I can't draw the bow without the wobble.

Is this a flaw in the bass or can it be corrected. I don't really want to dampen it down with a whole bunch of eliminators if I can help it.

Thanks!
Mark
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:24 PM
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What does your favorite luthier recommend?
I'm hoping he'll post a solution!
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:53 PM
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I had a really awful wolf tone on my bass when I first bought it, but after about an hour in a shop with a luthier, he noticed the sound post had slipped down about four inches.

Wolf tones aren't always something that are naturally there. Sometimes they're caused by a mistake in how the bass is set up, or as in my case, something that needed to be fixed regardless.
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:42 AM
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Make sure your bass bar is still attached at the ends.
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Old 04-09-2007, 09:03 AM
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Make sure your bass bar is still attached at the ends.
This can cause wolf tone problems?
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Old 04-09-2007, 11:03 AM
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This can cause wolf tone problems?
Horrible ones.
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Old 04-09-2007, 12:29 PM
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Wow, I didn't know that.
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Old 04-09-2007, 01:39 PM
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Make sure your bass bar is still attached at the ends.
Would it make a "buzzing" or "rattling" sound if this was the case? Would it be visible with an inspection mirror?
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Old 04-09-2007, 06:16 PM
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Thank you all for your input. I'll check out all of these suggestions!

Mark
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Old 04-22-2007, 01:59 AM
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I have a carved DB that sounds nice...except I have multiple wolf tones. The F# is the worst, but the B and the A also are bad enough that I can't draw the bow without the wobble.

Is this a flaw in the bass or can it be corrected. I don't really want to dampen it down with a whole bunch of eliminators if I can help it.
Mark, I also have a carved DB with a wolf at about "G" (which I sense is the wood note of my bass). The wolf is worst on the A string, less so on other strings. It howls when I bow that note.

From your description, it sounds like you really have wolves, not a soundpost that's out of place. But not knowing, I guess it could be a setup problem: bridge, soundpost, etc. If that is so, then you don't have wolves. Lucky you...

But if you have wolves, they aren't necessarily a flaw in your bass! Even the highest quality violins, cellos, and basses can have wolves. Unfortunately, you cannot get rid of a wolf, even with "eliminators", because the wolf is usually caused by natural resonances in the wood. All you can do is minimize his opportunities to howl. String length below the bridge might be a factor, and if one of your strings vibrates there at the same pitch as your wolf, an eliminator might help. A compensated tailpiece has helped me banish the wolf in my bass. I also try not to bow that note at that spot. There was a recent thread discussion on tailpiece weight and its impact on wolftones.

In case anyone on TB is interested, there is a very good article on the web about the physics of wolftones, "Who's Afraid of the Big Bad Wolf?" and the link is here: http://www.violinviolacello.com/wolf.htm

cheers,

Bill

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