Position Dots a la Edgar Meyer - Page 3

tplyons · #41 05-02-2005, 09:04 PM

That's a possibility too! More subtle, but enough to help me, and much cheaper than Fretware. Never liked their stuff too much, too far from perfect for my baby.

godoze · #42 05-03-2005, 08:12 AM

I may have mentioned that one of my students had dots inlaid on his fb. It is now to the point that he cannot play wihtout...So at his lessons i make him play my bass. Though it is coming to the point i suspect that he and i are going to part ways because of this problem.

anonymous0726 · #43 05-03-2005, 10:40 AM

Let him use the dots, but turn all the lights off except for the stand light. At the end of the lesson he may understand that the dots shouldn't be relied on too heavily.

anonymous0726 · #44 05-03-2005, 10:41 AM

Oh -- and couple that with some sight reading and you be the conductor.

godoze · #45 05-03-2005, 11:39 AM

his reliance on the dots is so severe it reminds of of a drug addict- no offense to the drug addicts lurking here...

anonymous0726 · #46 05-03-2005, 11:48 AM

Well, then take the above lesson and yell at him when he makes a mistakes, explaining afterwards that what you were showing him is the real world. It might sound harsh, or even that I'm coming across as joking, but this is the opportunity for you to be what teachers are really there for: To make a real bass player -- and better person -- out of him. The one that really needs to step up to the plate here is you as a teacher.

Then, after he understands the lesson, charge him and extra $50 for the intervention (and the Rolaids for teacher-san)

godoze · #47 05-03-2005, 11:51 AM

yeah, i do make him play my bass for lessons. of course he "yes's" me to death during lessons and he has another bass without dots that i tell him to use instead...It's jsut a very frustrating situation. Not much knowledge transfer going on at this point.

I keep telling him that he is paying me $50 and hour to teach him but he is not holding up his end of the bargain...

**Jeremy Allen** · #48 05-03-2005, 11:52 AM

None taken...I can play without dots, but take away the scotch and I fall to pieces. (To Zoot Simms: "How do you play so well when you're drunk?" Zoot: "I practice drunk!")

Good points, Sugar Ray: like I said before, who spends all their time staring at the fingerboard anyway?

anonymous0726 · #49 05-03-2005, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DZ

I keep telling him that he is paying me $50 and hour to teach him but he is not holding up his end of the bargain...

He's not hearing/understanding you. You have to find a way to get your message across, and the above is the way that I'd do it. If the student is serious, of course. If he's taking lessons for other reasons (the social aspect, plans to always be a part-timer, etc), then I'd just let him do whatever as long as he's happy.

godoze · #50 05-03-2005, 11:59 AM

he is a part-timer so part of me lets him slide to a degree. He hears me..he just i think doesn't want to invest the time that it will really take to do it the right way.

Ed Fuqua · #51 05-03-2005, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Johono5

(To Zoot Simms: "How do you play so well when you're drunk?" Zoot: "I practice drunk!")

My favorite Zoot story, he was doing a clinic at some college and shows up, a little under weather, to hear the stage band. After they play, all the kids are looking at Zoot expectantly, he just sways there. Finally one of the kids gets up the nerve to ask " well, Mr. Sims, is there anything you can tell us to help improve the sound of the band?" Zoot ponders a moment and then says "Yeah, play better."

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Originally Posted by OnoLetsGo

Good points, Sugar Ray: like I said before, who spends all their time staring at the fingerboard anyway?

When life is so short and women are so beautiful...

anonymous0726 · #52 05-03-2005, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DZ

he is a part-timer so part of me lets him slide to a degree. He hears me..he just i think doesn't want to invest the time that it will really take to do it the right way.

Then forget about it. This point isn't important to him. If things are going well otherwise, then get off'im and give him things that help him where he is interested. In this light, the dots are just a silly sticking point and not worth ruining an otherwise good relationship over.

my 2p.

mburd · #53 05-03-2005, 02:01 PM

probably the most difficult yet most significant concept for me (as a native slabbist..) continues to be "letting go". Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't, but it gets me closer to that special place...wherever the heck it is..

Mudfuzz · #54 05-03-2005, 02:16 PM

Actually, Ray's advice and and what DZ is toiling to teach should be mandatory for all slab players as well; after awhile you shouldn't "have to" watch your hands to know where you are on any instrument.