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Old 04-05-2010, 03:55 PM
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wood endpin and/or "mode matching".

Hi,
I've been checking out Chuck Traeger's book on bass setup and repair and, among many other things, he strongly suggests getting a wood endpin and doing "mode matching." This supposedly increases volume and evenness.
If you have done either of these modifications on your bass, how did it effect the sound? I sort of doubt that it would be as dramatic a change as Mr. Traeger claims but I would really like to hear from someone who has actually done this to their bass. I tried using a graphite endpin once but I couldn't really tell a difference.
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Aaron
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Old 04-05-2010, 04:55 PM
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Hi,
I've been checking out Chuck Traeger's book on bass setup and repair and, among many other things, he strongly suggests getting a wood endpin and doing "mode matching." This supposedly increases volume and evenness.
If you have done either of these modifications on your bass, how did it effect the sound? I sort of doubt that it would be as dramatic a change as Mr. Traeger claims but I would really like to hear from someone who has actually done this to their bass. I tried using a graphite endpin once but I couldn't really tell a difference.
Thanks,
Aaron
I like Traeger's book a lot. IME some of the suggestions provide very noticeable improvements, while others didn't.

Many people claim that wood endpins provides a lot of benefits over steel. I can't say whether or not it did for me. I switched from a common steel endpin to a Carbon Fiber Laborie. The very noticeable improvement could have been from the new setup instead of the switching of materials. I didn't find much benefit from switching from a carbon fiber endpin to a tone wood. Your bass may vary.

I think that I can hear a difference with the mode matching, but since it's so subtle I can't say it is worth the effort. The benefits were so subtle that it could have been a placebo for me. I would say that his suggested recommendations on how much after-length did make a big difference for my bass. One of my basses came with a tailpiece that was long. When I replaced the tailpiece with a shorter one that allowed the after-length to be long enough, it opened up the E a lot.

Just recently I switched from a ebony tailpiece to a maple tailpiece to greatly reduce the weight. With the lighter tailpiece, the overtones were more pronounced giving the sound more richness, which could be perceived as brightness.
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Old 04-06-2010, 08:32 AM
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Hi,
I've been checking out Chuck Traeger's book on bass setup and repair and, among many other things, he strongly suggests getting a wood endpin and doing "mode matching." This supposedly increases volume and evenness.
If you have done either of these modifications on your bass, how did it effect the sound? I sort of doubt that it would be as dramatic a change as Mr. Traeger claims but I would really like to hear from someone who has actually done this to their bass. I tried using a graphite endpin once but I couldn't really tell a difference.
Thanks,
Aaron
Amazon says my 2 Chuck Traeger books are being shipped now...I'm really looking forward to them.

I made a simple wooden endpin for my bass, and all I can say is when I play on hardwood floor, the floor vibrates - people in the same room feel it in their feet. I haven't noticed this with other basses with steel pins, but it could be due to variations in setup.

George
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Old 04-06-2010, 08:53 AM
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I've never tried the Laborie carbon fiber pin but I have a wooden Laborie on one of my basses. I went the angled pin route primarily to ease strain on my aging/aching back, but to my ear it also gives the bass a richer/darker tone than with the old pin. And I never have to worry about the pin rattling or loosening in mid-song. I saw that happen to Ron Carter last year at the Kennedy Center. As the bass slowly sank he bent with it and never missed a note. I would have stopped dead in my tracks.
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:34 PM
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A wooden endpin made a dramatic difference in the tone, sustain and projection in my bass - especially projection of the low frequencies.
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