Afor-Cuban , Bossa Nova........

bassist15 · #1 08-26-2006, 09:50 PM

I was randomly flipping through Bass for dummies the other day and stumbled across the section with Bossa nova , afro-cuban , african and other styles and I really liked this groove i made up after lookin at these. What albums from these styles have great bass and percussion grooves? Who are some good bassists? Thank you

tzadik · #2 08-27-2006, 08:57 AM

Afro Cuban stuff is the ballz..... check out Afro Cuban All Stars, Roberto Rodriguez, anything with a bass player named Cachao... a ton of the jazz cats I listen too have a song or twon on their albums that are Latin flavored, Afro-Cuban inspired, etc. Sometimes quite authentic... For instance, anyone would LOVE the Charlie Hunter album, Songs From The Analog Playground. That one has some killer grooves.

When Pat Metheny isn't combing his hair, some of his stuff is awesome too. (I say this most lovingly.) Message me with your email address and I can send you an amazing recording of my favorite killer latin tune of his.

Kurt Rosenwinkel's album the Next Step. Track two is called Minor Blues. Droolworthy.

Wayne Shorter's tune El Guacho is perhaps my favorite on in the Real Book. It's on Adam's Apple. Everyone needs this album. It is HEAVY, so listen a few times before you decide if you like it. You'll love it. :>

The Bad Plus- certainly not straight afro-cuban but definitely one can tell that these cats of have their homework. Another group that anyone can fall in love with.

Gard · #3 08-27-2006, 11:38 AM

To add to my buddy tzadik's list (how ya doin' X?

):

Los Van Van, Tito Puente, Irakere, Nosso Trio....

It goes on and on...I really love that stuff, miss playing it too.

tzadik · #4 08-27-2006, 08:30 PM

GARD! I miss ya, what's up??

I miss my Latin ensemble group too...just ran across an old recording the other day of my in my first Latin group. I'd been playing bass for like a year! I somehow held it togather -- credit goes to Al Delgado, my fabulous teacher... a wonderful little brown man from Puerto Rico. :>

markjazzbassist · #5 08-27-2006, 09:14 PM

bossa nova = antonio carlos jobim

Basshole · #6 08-27-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by markjazzbassist

bossa nova = antonio carlos jobim

Actually, no.

João Gilberto is actually the architect of Bossa-Nova, and Jobim started writing in this style once Mr. Gilberto had already made it popular.

The Bossa-Nova collaborations that most widely spread the "word" of this new style throughout the world were the Stan Getz/Jobim/Gilberto (both Astrud and João) performances on the Verve label's Getz/Gilberto album that brought us "The Girl From Ipanema".

In Brazil, the events that most popularized Bossa-Nova were João Gilberto's hit "Chega de Saudade" (the first Bossa-Nova recording ever), and subsequently the soundtrack from the movie "Black Orpheus" with Antonio Carlos Jobim, and Luiz Bonfá.

tkozal · #7 08-28-2006, 07:03 AM

Yes, my friend, but for a beginner the recommendation of Tom Jobim is very, very good. His releases are much easier to find in stores. Joao has an attitude, ya know, and his stuff is hard to find now, especially in the USA. The old World Pacific release of the classics was forced off the shelfs by litigation from Gilberto...

this book is well worth picking up:

http://aebersold.com/Merchant2/merch...Category_Code=

pretty much covers most styles, latin, cuban, brazilian, etc..

Basshole · #8 08-28-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tkozal

Joao has an attitude, ya know, and his stuff is hard to find now, especially in the USA. The old World Pacific release of the classics was forced off the shelfs by litigation from Gilberto......

Oh, you mean he wanted to be paid? Since they apparently haven't paid him his royalties since '62? ...and they even went ahead and remastered his work (BADLY), and re-released his work on CD without permission??

YER RIGHT! GOD, WHAT AN ATTITUDE!!

GEEZ, THE NERVE OF SOME PEOPLE!

Standalone · #9 08-28-2006, 10:07 AM

I play in a mostly bossa jazz group on DB, and the big thing to listen for is the bass drum beat. It is a slowed down samba beat and you feel it in two, with a ghosted pick up note. The beat is related to the big bass drums in the 100-plus drum samba schools that play a music called "Batucada." You know where the guy blows the whistle and everyone jumps in...

Ba BOOOOOOM Ba Dip...Ba BOOOOOOOM ba Dip...

tkozal · #10 08-28-2006, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Basshole

Oh, you mean he wanted to be paid? Since they apparently haven't paid him his royalties since '62? ...and they even went ahead and remastered his work (BADLY), and re-released his work on CD without permission??

YER RIGHT! GOD, WHAT AN ATTITUDE!!

GEEZ, THE NERVE OF SOME PEOPLE!

Nevertheless, his stuff is much harder to come by for a newbie......and his attitude is not limited to copyright control issues, so stop your yelling.

I have been grooving hard to the Gal Costa does the Jobim Song Book DVD I found recently. AHHH! Such wonders! The bassist does a great job, playing an acoustic bass guitar mostly, and getting a GREAT sound. Wonderful stuff!

I have also been getting into Elis Regina lately, her vocal style is such an influence on many other Brazilan vocalists...

Basshole · #11 08-28-2006, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tkozal

Nevertheless, his stuff is much harder to come by for a newbie......and his attitude is not limited to copyright control issues, so stop your yelling.

Hmmm...know him personally? I do. Maybe you can elaborate on his "attitude". ...Or maybe you just shouldn't talk so confidently about that which you know so little about.

It was mock yelling, you can relax. I was pretending to show indignance, since your statement was so patently absurd and uninformed...

tkozal · #12 08-28-2006, 11:44 AM

You need only be familar with a little of the great one's history to know what I am talking about.

Bass Boy · #13 08-28-2006, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tkozal

this book is well worth picking up:

http://aebersold.com/Merchant2/merch...Category_Code=

pretty much covers most styles, latin, cuban, brazilian, etc..

This is a great book by a great bassist. A friend of mine is bringing Oscar up here to do a concert and recording. I'm the rehearsal bassist and am getting my A$$ kicked by his tunes. Guaguanco in 7/4 anyone

.

Listening is the most important and taking a few lessons with a percussionist is extremely helpful (at least it was for me)

iplaybassguitar · #14 08-28-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tzadik

Afro Cuban stuff is the ballz..... check out Afro Cuban All Stars, Roberto Rodriguez, anything with a bass player named Cachao...

Cachao was named jacos favorite player in a bass player a bunch of years back...so listen to him, and you will be as good as jaco, probably better actually.

jady · #15 08-28-2006, 12:53 PM

Ruben Blades, great modern afro cuban with a more modern groove, for an older style Tito Puente is a great place to start, the changes arent as complex so it's easier to concentrate on decronstructing the groove.

markjazzbassist · #16 08-28-2006, 02:29 PM

i don't know if they are considered bossa nova or afro cuban, but i would also recommend

flora purim
airto

they are husband and wife and put out great stuff.

evertalbers · #17 08-28-2006, 02:48 PM

Afro Cuban: Check out the basslines of Grupo Chapputín (Yo como candela is their biggst hit I think), they are really weird.
Klimax, if you like complicated stuff.
Colombia: Grupo Galé is great.
Curacao: Check out the last 2 records of Izaline Calister if you can.
Afro Peruvian (a lot of stuff in 6/8): Eva Ayllón has outstanding bass lines.
And indeed, do not miss Cachao.

Basshole · #18 08-28-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tkozal

You need only be familar with a little of the great one's history to know what I am talking about.

Don't believe everything you read. Just because he is a private man, and as a result, the stupid and ignorant things people write and say about him often go unchallenged, doesn't make them true.