Aggressive Music: Any way to remove the stigma?

[scorpionldr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-nSVS-MbN8

So lately, I got to thinking: I involve myself in musical projects to say the least that....don't really get any outsider respect. I put a lot of effort into things (albeit, a full time college student that takes temp jobs on the side, SOMETIMES), but things don't exactly pan out based on genres of choice.

Which got me to thinking about a video from an old zine I saw years ago. Basically this old man on camera comments about today's music (specifically in reference to "hardcore"). Typically I'd brush it off, but a couple nights ago I said "it's funny cuz it's true!"

Decades ago, aggressive was just the way to describe Elvis's hip motions. Now, it's taken on a whole meaning. In SOME music there's absolute musical writing. But the facts are, will THIS (http://www.myspace.com/bedlamofcacophony) ever be able to match up with the greats from the public's eye? Even from a serial artist's perspective?

[bassrique]

That guy is funny, but the vid is too long.

"The worst part of it all is, they aren't even on drugs"

"Where are the broads?"

[scorpionldr]

"skinny whimpies punching the air like they're fighting. You know how long it would take to knock them out? By the time they reached the ring, they'd be done"

[theshadow2001]

Yeah I like that guy

[Metal Matt]

Punk, hardcore, metal and all of the underground genre offshoots will never see the same popularity as Elvis. It's not supposed to and it never should. Underground music isn't for outsiders, it's for people that feel like rejects everywhere else. It's a place for them to go, when they don't feel welcome anywhere else. A place free from mainstream society's judgment.

That's why almost any band in underground music that gains more mainstream popularity(videos on MTV2 for example) is seen in such a negative light in the underground community, because in the communities eyes, they are trying to become what the underground is supposed to be against... So by its very nature, underground music, hardcore, grind, doom, etc is not supposed to be for anyone but the bands playing it, and the relatively few people who'll listen to it. To hell with everyone else.

So no... no hardcore, grindcore, metal, whatever underground genre band will never match the popularity of Elvis, in the eyes of mainstream society, because for these bands there is absolutely no desire for that sort of fame.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Metal Matt

Punk, hardcore, metal and all of the underground genre offshoots will never see the same popularity as Elvis. It's not supposed to and it never should. Underground music isn't for outsiders, it's for people that feel like rejects everywhere else. It's a place for them to go, when they don't feel welcome anywhere else. A place free from mainstream society's judgment.

That's why almost any band in underground music that gains more mainstream popularity(videos on MTV2 for example) is seen in such a negative light in the underground community, because in the communities eyes, they are trying to become what the underground is supposed to be against... So by its very nature, underground music, hardcore, grind, doom, etc is not supposed to be for anyone but the bands playing it, and the relatively few people who'll listen to it. To hell with everyone else.

So no... no hardcore, grindcore, metal, whatever underground genre band will never match the popularity of Elvis, in the eyes of mainstream society, because for these bands there is absolutely no desire for that sort of fame.

lol look at the german porn grinders from Gut. Those dudes have been pretty recognized.
And what about Carcass?
Napalm Death?

I mean they aren't up on the top of the charts, but they are the household names of their genres.
Carcass especially as they were one of the biggest names

[Metal Matt]

Originally Posted by scorpionldr

lol look at the german porn grinders from Gut. Those dudes have been pretty recognized.
And what about Carcass?
Napalm Death?

I mean they aren't up on the top of the charts, but they are the household names of their genres.

That's the thing though, OF THEIR GENRES if I say the name Converge or Napalm Death at any sort of underground show, just about everyone there will know who they are or at least heard of them, because Converge and Napalm Death are huge names within the underground music scene. Mention those names to just about anyone else, people that are force fed terrible top of the charts music by their radio and MTV all day and they'll look at you like you're speaking a foreign language.

[Araillac]

Originally Posted by Metal Matt

Punk, hardcore, metal and all of the underground genre offshoots will never see the same popularity as Elvis. It's not supposed to and it never should. Underground music isn't for outsiders, it's for people that feel like rejects everywhere else. It's a place for them to go, when they don't feel welcome anywhere else. A place free from mainstream society's judgment.

That's why almost any band in underground music that gains more mainstream popularity(videos on MTV2 for example) is seen in such a negative light in the underground community, because in the communities eyes, they are trying to become what the underground is supposed to be against... So by its very nature, underground music, hardcore, grind, doom, etc is not supposed to be for anyone but the bands playing it, and the relatively few people who'll listen to it. To hell with everyone else.

So no... no hardcore, grindcore, metal, whatever underground genre band will never match the popularity of Elvis, in the eyes of mainstream society, because for these bands there is absolutely no desire for that sort of fame.

Slipknot is pretty up there and they're metal. Ozzy Osbourne was metal. Iron Maiden was metal. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains are all punk, grunge sure but still punk and they are all pretty popular. And Nirvana didn't even want to be popular and they were.

[MakiSupaStar]

Good music gets heard. Always. Just keep on playing until your good.

[scorpionldr]

lol so what is "Spazz" considered on your scale of good? cuz they had some pretty sick riffs/rhythms being thrown out to people.

[scorpionldr]

lol and I think my solo project is good.........the talkbass society totally flamed the hell out of me for that one tho.

[MakiSupaStar]

The definition of good is almost always not decided by you.

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by MakiSupaStar

The definition of good is almost always not decided by you.

which is kinda funny considering the college fanbase that i have regardless of these comments.

[Araillac]

Hey guys....I have to pee.

[Metal Matt]

Originally Posted by Araillac

Slipknot is pretty up there and they're metal. Ozzy Osbourne was metal. Iron Maiden was metal. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Alice in Chains are all punk, grunge sure but still punk and they are all pretty popular. And Nirvana didn't even want to be popular and they were.

I guess what I should have said above is that it's highly unlikely that an underground band will see the same popularity and musical recognition as Elvis. I wasn't even 10 or listening to music when Nirvana was starting up and when they began seeing mainstream popularity. I wonder if the people in underground music at the time felt that Nirvana was selling out in some way. I'm just speaking from my perspective of the modern underground scene, and I can't really speak for it at other times.

Slipknot was insanely abrasive and aggressive sounding when they first came out, their sound now is nowhere close to what it used to be. I'm willing to bet that if they stuck with their original heavy as hell sound, and not softened up, they wouldn't have seen the success they've seen. I really don't think Slipknot will be remembered the same way Elvis, Sabbath, Maiden, etc... have been.

As far as Sabbath and Maiden, I'd imagine the types of music that evolved out of those two bands would seem absolutely insane to their fans. haha I'd definitely say that Sabbath and Maiden are just as respected as Elvis. But I wonder if die hard Elvis fans listening to Maiden would feel the same way? Or would they just say "bah this is garbage"?

[scorpionldr]

let's shift from Elvis to Beethoven......

[scorpionldr]

Originally Posted by Araillac

Hey guys....I have to pee.

AWESOME!

[Metal Matt]

Yeah, all this serious talk is seriously filling up my bladder.

[Araillac]

i relieved myself pretty recently

[scorpionldr]

by stigma I meant more along the lines of the negativity of it all.